Northfork Tactical SPP Unis Ginex import

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FYI - I much like the above did receive a pending credit to my account within 3 hours of my refund request. Too bad this didn't work out, but we'll all make it work regardless. Happy reloading and safe shooting all!
 
I requested a refund as soon as I saw the email nothing yet already filed with capital one
 
I emailed this morning. No response. Emailed again with order number just few minutes ago.
 
Same here, no refund yet. I will wait until monday if nothing then I will file a report with my credit card company.
 
I requested a refund and listed my order numbers for my two orders 20 minutes after Noah sent email this AM.

I have not heard anything yet
 
Somebody with a better memory please help me out. Wasn't the original story that they bought 15 mil but were only bringing in a smaller amount to make sure everything went smooth. So aren't there many millions still to come, at the original price? Right? Also, it would interesting if Noah described his original agreement with his "friend". Whether oral or written doesn't Noah have some recourse against this fellow? I hate to bring in the "L" word but based on what we know that guy needs to be forced to hold up his end of the agreement. If the shipment just came in how did they go thru a whole pallet of primers that weren't theirs to go thru. Yes I want my money back but I'd really rather have the primers. That doesn't seem impossible based on what we've been told. Where are the rest of the primers? We deserve to know.
 
When did everyone pay for their orders? I searched history here and saw discussion about pre-orders in late March.
Late March + 120 days puts us at late July. 120 days is usually the limit which you can dispute a CC charge. Coincidence?
 
Cheesemaker said:
When did everyone pay for their orders? I searched history here and saw discussion about pre-orders in late March.
Late March + 120 days puts us at late July. 120 days is usually the limit which you can dispute a CC charge. Coincidence?
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I believe this may be the case, and the 120 day limit started yesterday when for the first time we were told we would not receive our orders:


VCR Dispute Reason Code 13.1 Time Limit Modifiers
Chargeback time limits associated with VCR 13.1 can change if the merchandise or services were expected to be provided after the transaction processing date. For example, the purchase could be for plane tickets that would be used months after the initial transaction. Which means the dispute may be issued:

  • 120 calendar days from the last date the cardholder expected to receive merchandise or services.
  • 120 calendar days from the date the cardholder was told that the merchandise or services won’t be provided.
The dispute cannot exceed 540 calendar days from the transaction processing date.
 
Hope everyone gets there money back. As I mentioned many months ago paying up front for a not so sure thing is not in my game plan ever. During his q&a back several months ago he skirted around my questions about charging CCs up front. Most online vendors that I have purchased from do not tap my card until the product ships. With the fees involved in using CCs it's wise to wait before dinging the card if you are not sure about providing your product. I have an order in now with Starline Brass and they will not ding my card until the product is available and ready to ship. If it is not available within 30 days they will contact me when it is available and make sure I still want it and update my info. YMMV and good luck...
 
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I'm not sure what the truth is but I've got an invoice for 10m primers marked paid. I expect them. I would agree to substitution of brand. This isn't some scammer in Calcutta. This is an FFL dealer in the state of Washington. This sure seems like fraud, a crime. Did Noah not have anything in writing? This isn't about two buddies that got together to make a bulk buy and tried to sell some of the excess. They used our money to buy those primers. They belong to us. Does anybody else see it that way?
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Exactly. If Noah has an INVOICE marked 'Paid' for 'X' amount of primers for 'X' dollars... then that is what should have been delivered, and that is what he should be shipping out. Period. If someone else used them, it was theft and he should be able to go to the police/courts and have the guy make it right. It should not be OUR cross to bear.
 
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This isn't some scammer in Calcutta. This is an FFL dealer in the state of Washington. /QUOTE]
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Is he though? I can't find any FFL in the state of Washington with the name North Fork, Northfork, or any variation. He doesn't list anything for sale on his website that would require an FFL. And if I'm not mistaken, as long as you are not manufacturing ammunition, an FFL is not required to resell components
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/listing-federal-firearms-licensees

Also can't find North Fork Tactical through the Washington State department of Revenue website as a DBA or registered business name...
 
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If Noah has an INVOICE marked 'Paid' for 'X' amount of primers for 'X' dollars...
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That’s a big “IF”.

I didn’t order any for the same reason I don’t buy many first generation products, I like others to be the test mules and work out the bugs; however, I did look at the threads. More specifically the language he used. Wasn’t “our” primers are in but “the” primers are in.

…received on 22 March:

Hello Primer Presalers,
Good morning everyone. I know you all have been wanting updates on the primers. I’ve received various emails from many of you asking how everything is going, and I apologize for not responding promptly. As of the past week I have been far more involved in daily and sometimes hourly events that require my attention regarding this and I haven’t wanted to give any kind of update that doesn’t say much. I haven’t read the thread on High Road so and I won’t be answering specific questions posted there. The primers are in Canada, ship is in. We are still working out various legal, organizational and tax hurdlesthat I won’t get into specific detail about, before we bring everything across. Believe me, I understand your anxieties around this. However nervous and anxious you are, I am 200x that (that’s how many orders were placed for these before we shut it off). I have a responsibility to all of you to make this happen and I am determined to do so. There are angles to this that I didn’t foresee that have to be dealt with not only to bring them across the border, but for me to squeeze a meager profit out of it as well. Please continue to hold tight and trust that I am working on this daily. I will give updates when we hit milestones, and I am hopeful the next one I give will be in the form of a tracking number. Thanks for the continued support and patience. We will get there soon.
Best regards,
http://www.northforktactical.com
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If he didn’t seal the deal because he didn’t want to be on the hook for all the money if he couldn’t work out the other “various legal, organizational and tax hurdles”, I wouldn’t feel obligated to hold them for him. This has turned out to be an excellent decision for people now wanting their money back (as he does have it to return) but might have put the “deal” in jeopardy in the first place.

Go to any business and say, “I would like to buy (insert a product they sell here) can you hold it for me, no money down, I have some other stuff to work out but will be back in 4 months, to pick it up, I promise.” See what they say.
 
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Well this just appeared on my CC website:
Date Description Amount
Jul 31, 2021 NORTH FORK TACTICAL −$315.00
Glad to see it. I still wish this would have worked out.
 
Yes, I also just received my refund a few minutes ago. He must be processing them this morning. As far as I’m concerned, a full refund is the best possible scenario in a breach of contract scenario as others have described. I have no other damages to claim other than heartbreak.
 
I've received my refund. The refund is pending in my CC statement. He may have made bad business deals but so far has not shown to be inclined to defraud people by keeping their money. So I can give him credit for that.
 
Refund was issued... Too bad it didn't work out.
I DO appreciate his original effort in trying to make this work. Either he was a little sloppy/trusting, those he was working with were crooked, or as has been said, he decided to sell the entire pallet for more of a profit.. Maybe all of the above. Who knows.
It is indeed annoying, but at least he sent refunds.
 
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Got my refund this morning. I think it's clear the guy isn't a scammer or a fraud. Unethical, maybe. I wonder if he got a better offer on the whole pallet of primers and became greedy.
 
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