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Not again.......! Feral Hog Control in East Texas

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by Flintknapper, May 13, 2009.

  1. Flintknapper

    Flintknapper Member

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    ^^^^^^^^^^

    Ahhh......"El Paso de Aguila"

    By March...daytime high temps will be 80-ish, watch for snakes.

    Hope you guys have a great time.

    Flint.
     
  2. Armored farmer

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    this appears to be a border town. Any special advice for me and my sons??
     
  3. LeonCarr

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    If you decide to cross the border into Mexico, read the travel advisories on Mexico on the state department website, www.state.gov, and do not under any circumstances try to bring firearms or ammunition across the border.

    I personally avoid going to Mexico for any reason.

    Just my .02 because Mexican Jails and Prisons are hellholes,
    LeonCarr
     
  4. Flintknapper

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    Eagle Pass is indeed a 'Border Town'. The population is not very large (perhaps 50,000) , but its border counterpart (Piedras Negras, Mexico) most likely has 200,000 or more.

    Personally, I would NOT cross the border. The current state of things in ANY city on the border is not very safe.

    The Rio Grande river in the area of Eagle Pass/Piedras Negras is shallow and the entire area is a well known 'crossing spot' despite the efforts of the Border Patrol.

    If your hunt is to take place on a ranch near the river, it is 'possible' you may encounter illegals during your hunt. If you are hunting a 'game ranch' the owner/operator should be able to advise you as to what to expect (they might not have any problems at all).

    If you are not going on a guided/semi-guided hunt...then I would certainly remain vigilant and avoid any contact with persons unknown to you.

    Unfortunately, February and March are 'peak' traffic months for illegals seeking to enter the U.S. through Texas.

    It is not my intent to cause you any undue alarm, just want you to be aware of the need to avoid two things:

    1. Rattlesnakes (not yet very active...but present).
    2. Persons unknown to you. (you do not know their intent)

    Other than that, have a good time, be safe and please share your experience with us when you return.

    Flint.
     
  5. Mike1234567

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    I'd be more concerned about bumping into gun and drug runners.
     
  6. Art Eatman

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    In that area, were I to go "otro la'o del Rio", I'd either walk or take a cab. And, during daylight.

    Local area advice is the best. Me, I'm way up-river from there and in an area of far fewer problems.
     
  7. Armored farmer

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    just to update...
    The boys and I made the trip to Eagle Pass and had a splendid time. My middle son drew first blood with the Ruger 556 on a #135 sow. Then #1 son got a nice spotted boar with his bow. Friend Trevor took a young sow with his .308 at dark on day 1.
    I being the famous marksman, earning my 15minutes of fame and many trophies and silver goblets and platters with a shotgun,...was missing hogsX4 with my beloved .30-06. After returning to the rifle range, I found that my rifle was not even on paper at 100yds. During the rezero, I discovered that I had accidently switched ammo from what I had used to sight in with. With the ammo sorted out, I was able to connect with a #80 sow on nite hunt #2. My old hunting buddy Benny took 2 150lb boars within 30min of each other with his H&R Handi-rifle in .30-06 (a littermate to mine), and tagged out. #1 son took another boar and tagged out on the last morning of our 3-day hunt with his RockRiver AR. He was 2 for 2 Bow/rifle. Benny was 2 for 2 after our rezero event.
    We were happy hunters and had 7 hogs between us. We had hunted day and nite during our 3-day/2 nite stay. We had driven straight thru for 20hrs, slept 4hrs per night, and drove 20 hrs home. Wow. what a whirlwind trip! It sure was fun. I can't help but think that had I connected earlier in the hunt...we may have all tagged out. Since I missed, it was several blown opportunities. Sometimes you're a hero...sometimes your a zero. I didnt complain about my shooting, or let it drag me down.
    We learned a bunch about what gear to bring, and what to leave at home. and to buy or load a bunch of one kind of ammo and stick with it.
    The meat is at the processor now. The backstraps were delicious!
     
  8. Flintknapper

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    ^^^^^^^^

    Thanks for the update KB.

    Glad you guys had a good time and a successful hunt.

    Was the weather co-operative?

    Presumably you had no run ins with any vibora de cascabel, or you probably would have mentioned it. A bit too cold for them still....I imagine.

    Thank You also, for reducing the pig population in the State. We DO appreciate it.

    Flint.
     
  9. Armored farmer

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    Flint
    We left home a day early to avoid the predicted ice and snow of March 2nd. Old Man Winter pursued us all the way down to the border. We heard over the radio that Dallas was getting freezing rain literally an hour after we went through. While we were there the temps ranged from 40s at night to maybe 60-62 on Tuesday the 4th of March. The locals were complaining but we were basking in it.
    vibora de cascabel?? If my Osmosis Spanish serves me....you ask about rattlers, and no. No encounters thank goodness. I personally have only a normal respect for snakes, but my oldest son, an ex-linebacker 230lb 6'2'' farm-boy would have been seen running away screaming like a girl and firing an SR9c Ruger left-handed over his right shoulder. I did ask our guide about snakes. He claimed to have recently sold a live 6 footer to someone for $600.00 ???? Really??
    As far as reducing the pig population.....I just wish I could have helped more.
    After our dismal deer season, we were ready for an adventure, and a successful hunt.
     
  10. Flintknapper

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    Yes, that is Texas weather this time of year (unpredictable), but just think how much colder it would have been without the 'Global Warming'. Groan......;)


    Rattlesnake is correct, your Spanish serves you well. Had it been warmer weather...chances are good you would have seen a few.

    What are your thoughts on the 5.56 being 'enough' gun for hogs (with good shot placement). I am always curious to see how that works out for folks.

    Personally, I believe it gets the job done just fine (with careful shot placement) but others disagree. I am neither promoting the round nor discouraging folks from using it, just interested to see how it plays out in real life for those who employ it.

    Did you guys see any varmints to hunt? I.E. Coyotes/Bobcats/etc
     
  11. Mike1234567

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    "Unpredictable weather" and "wait five minutes for it to change" is joked about in nearly any geographic region... except maybe Death Valley, etc. :)
     
  12. Armored farmer

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    Flint:
    Our AR s worked perfectly in our hunt:ing scenario which was seated in a comfortable blind and resting the rifle on a window sill.
    I bought my Ruger SR556 two yrs ago and have mounted a streamlight weapon light on an offset mount on the front rail. This light illuminated the pigs at 100yds well enough to bury the crosshairs on my 6x scope and sign the deed to a pig. I had also mounted an electronic sight at 90degrees on the forward rail. We never had an opportunity to use it but im satisfied that it would have been an asset on pigs in the dark at close range. It is dialed in for 25yds. The electric sight is quick and simple for up close work.
    The 5.56 worked magic on two pigs. Both one shot kills. One at 85yds and one at 200. Both were brain shots.
    If i were able to hunt pigs with regularity and vengeance.... I might consider an AR platform that would shoot a heavier bullet. I might play with a 7.62x39 just for kicks. All of our shooting on 7 hogs was within 200yds.: Most were much less.:

    On a side note...I had been toying so much with my AR and cap n ball and my new 1911 that I managed to get rusty with my faithful old H&R Handirifle in. 30 06. I am satisfied we all would have limited out if I hadnt missed several shots. Thats another thread tho.
     

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    ^^^^^^^^^^

    Good job gentlemen!

    Glad you had an opportunity to share time together and create some memories.

    We hope you will return to our State again and help thin the population.

    That was one 'killer' drive though (lot of hours on the road).
     
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    We've got pigs...

    Our blind is 63 yards directly behind the camera....

    This is the first time we've seen them on camera during daylight.
     

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  16. Mike1234567

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    You need to simultaneously fire a half dozen strategically-aimed scatter guns to take out all those little piglets.
     
  17. Flintknapper

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    4-5 grown Sows and about 15 'Bacon Seeds'.

    Definitely need to get rid of them TW!

    Thanks for sharing the pics. Best of luck hunting them.

    Flint.
     
  18. NcongruNt

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    A little under a year ago, up in post 1421 of this thread, I posted some photos of a sow, a bunch of shoats, and a couple of young boars in tow.

    Since that time, I've been confounded by the irregular pattern hogs will come through - usually one or two nights a month.

    I was out working on out property near the house in the mid-afternoon this past Saturday, and decided to take a water break, get a little rest from the work, and take a walk to change the cards out of my game cameras. Usually, I'l grab my AR on the way out the door to check the cameras, but I was already outside. What's the chances I'll come across anything in the middle of the day... right?

    About two thirds of the way to the first camera near my feeder, I hear a whole lot of racket, like several people are raking leaves, vigorously. Suspecting the sound to be hogs, I curse myself for not bringing a rifle, and pull the XD9 on my hip to low ready, and follow the sounds.

    Our property is pretty thickly wooded, with both trees and brush (and brushy trees), but about 25 yards off the trail, I spot pigs moving the opposite direction I am, roughly parallel to the trail I'm on. There's a mess of pigs that seem to be moving together, but I can't really gauge the group size, because I only see them in the gaps between vegetation. They are moving slowly enough to target, so I pick out the 6th (and largest) hog I see passing through a gap and line up a neck shot.

    I connect, but it's not a debilitating shot, and try my best to catch up with the now-fleeing hogs. Luckily, they make plenty of noise in the leaves to get a rough bearing on them, and make messy enough tracks in their haste for a visual verification that I'm on the right track. They lead me in a big circle through a bunch of brush. As I'm slowing down (and am not hearing much noise), I spot a big black hog holed up in a wash in the middle of a bunch of downed dead trees, about 25 feet directly in front of me.

    I don't have an ideal shot, but the hog is mad and snarling at me, so I'm not going to risk going any closer for a better angle. She's kind of in a hole, quartered toward me, so I take aim as best I could for a neck shot and let it fly. The shot connected, and sent her into some serious squealing and kicking. I later found out I'd hit a shoulder and broken a leg bone in two. I take a followup shot to try and put her away, but it doesn't really seem to change the situation much.

    In the meantime, very small piglets about 8" long are wandering in my general direction from where she is, one particularly close. I dispatch the closest one, and decide to hoof it back to the house to get my AR and a .22 pistol for the rest of the piglets.

    I get back with the AR to the spot I'd left, to find that the hog has turned around with her butt facing me, laying on her right side. The best shot I can see is a spine shot (I'm basically shooting at an angle with the top of her back facing me), but my AR certainly isn't zeroed for 25 feet. I make my best guess and end up hitting her about an inch high, barely missing the spine. It does get her to turn around, and I take a followup neck shot, which puts her away immediately. I'm not sure where exactly the rest of the piglets went, but I didn't see them after a short look around. They'll probably make an easy dinner for coyotes of the neighbor's dogs.

    Lessons I learned:

    -Always take a rifle when checking the cameras. I could have taken multiple hogs, had I done so.
    -9mm is not ideal for a big hog. I knew this already, but experience helps me appreciate that knowledge.
    -A .22 pistol is probably handy to have with me, if I need to shoot very small pigs and not make a mess (or waste carry ammo).

    I got a couple neighbors from across the road to help me drag her out to a trail and onto a wagon hooked up to my tractor. She was a very fat hog, and we guessed her at about 250 pounds. Photo below:

    firsthogkill-scaled700.jpg

    (for comparison, I'm 6' tall and weigh just under 300)

    I was reviewing my game camera photos, and noted this hog and at least 9 others at the feeder, 2 days prior. They show up about a week before that as well, and she looks to still be pregnant at that time. I think I got lucky with the timing of everything, and may not have been able to catch her, had it not been for those piglets holding her there. She seems to have been a pretty smart hog.

    The photos from the game camera showed the rest of the group approaching the feeder from one direction:

    MFDC0671.jpg

    But this sow circling around down wind (I could see her disturbing the brush in the background, coming from the right) and approaching from the opposite direction:

    MFDC0682.jpg

    There were at least 9 other hogs with her:

    MFDC0690.jpg

    Time will tell if I'll get a chance at the rest of them.
     
  19. Armored farmer

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    Great story and pics. Nice pig too. Good luck with the rest of 'em.
    BTW my AR is set up just like yours except I dont have a bipod. It looks like you're holding my rifle.
     
  20. NcongruNt

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    kbbailey: thanks.

    I've yet to come across another person who has a Nikon VSD sight, is that what you have? I may replace it with an aimpoint or something with better battery life someday, but I really like the option of a 1MOA dot for precision shooting.
     
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    I'd personally prefer a 1 MOA reticle but I can't afford the $400+ for the VSD. I like it though.:)
     
  22. TeaCoffee.Guy

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    Sounds very interesting - trapping feral hogs. I didn't realize that they were cautious about traps. I would like to try trapping them someday.
     
  23. Armored farmer

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    I've yet to come across another person who has a Nikon VSD sight, is that what you have?
    No. Mine is actually a $150 Sightmark with multiple reticles, I always used the dot though.
    I put a fixed 6x on for our hog hunt last month, and move the Sightmark to 90 degrees on the right fore rail. It was a big hit with the boys on the hunt.
    Lately I have been wanting one of these:
    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/57...dc-carbine-reticle-matte?cm_vc=ProductFinding
    My AR is a Ruger556 with collapsible stock, weapon light, sling, and 30rd mag. I am going to get a couple 20rd mags for hunting, the 30s get in the way. I think there is a pic of my son holding my AR on this page.
     
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    Long Cutter

    This hog was viewed on trail cams for about two weeks. His left side cutter was visible in the photos and looked to be five to sixes long. Took him over a feeder Tuesday night under the full overhead moon. The cutter continued to grow after he lost the opposing cutter from who knows what, but probably a fight with another boar. He was a little over six feet from nose to stretched out feet and weighed 242 pounds. Taken in the south Texas Hill Country on my bro's ranch near Hondo. Thanks so much, Scott!! The rifle is a 7.62x39, using hand loaded 125 Nosler ballistic tips.
     

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    Long Cutter

    Here's a photo of the single cutter.
     

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