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Gun owners graying in WNC, nation.

Gun owners graying in WNC, nation

by Jordan Schrader
published September 30, 2006 12:19 am

ASHEVILLE — With five guns inside his house, 68-year-old Jess O’Strander feels pretty safe.

Not that he would worry without them.
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“I live in Fletcher,” he said. “The only crime is if you’re going six miles over the speed limit.”

For rougher areas, like those along the 16-hour drive to Michigan he makes four times a year to see his children and grandchildren, he keeps a .22-caliber pistol in his car’s console.

Americans 65 and older now make up the age group most likely to own guns.

By renewing his concealed-weapon permit this fall, O’Strander will rejoin the 1,821 Western North Carolina permit holders born before the United States entered World War II.

No doubt many are like the retired printing foreman, who has never shot a gun at another person and isn’t sure he could if it came down to it.

But two acts of apparently random violence in the past two months led to the arrest of senior citizens.

Joseph Boyer Candler, 68, of Wolf Laurel and Tilson B. Crowe, 76, of Asheville each are charged with assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill.

A paramedic was hospitalized in Madison County after a shooting that Sheriff John Ledford attributes to alcohol rather than age. No one was hurt in the Asheville shooting, which also involved alcohol.

Such gun crimes are rare enough that even supporters of stiffer gun control say the elderly are not on their radar screen.

“There’s not an issue with judgment or physical limitations that’s causing a huge problem with guns,” said Zach Ragbourn, spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
Aging of gun owners

Young people may be more likely than their elders to commit violent crimes, but older Americans are more likely to have guns in their homes.

“We found that it was the older group that had the highest level of gun ownership presently,” said Tom Smith, director of the University of Chicago’s General Social Survey, which recorded those results in 2002 and 2004.

“That wasn’t true 20 years ago. It was middle-age people who were most likely to own a gun.”

Throughout the 1980s, more than half of survey respondents in their 40s consistently reported living in households with guns. That has sunk to an average of 38 percent this decade while seniors dropped less, to 42 percent.

A decline in hunting accounts for much of the change, Smith said. But handguns as well as rifles are more common among the Social Security set than younger people.

“I figure if my car breaks down between (WNC and Michigan), there’s a lot of open areas,” O’Strander said. “I just feel more secure if I have some kind of protection.”

His parents frowned on guns, but O’Strander has owned them all his adult life.

He bought his first rifle in 1958, his first pistol in 1962. He still has both.

Like O’Strander, most seniors are simply keeping guns they’ve long owned, Smith said. He doesn’t see in the survey results any evidence that seniors are acquiring guns out of fear of being preyed upon.

As seniors keep their guns, fewer young people buy them. In the latest survey, 22.1 percent of adults younger than 30, reported having one in their household.
Alcohol involved

The two recent shootings involve men who have led very different lives.

Crowe lived with a female companion in a motor home parked in the 1200 block of Brevard Road. Now in the Buncombe County jail, Crowe is no stranger to imprisonment. His crimes in the county stretch back to 1970.

Candler was wealthy enough to leave the Madison County jail once officials set a $750,000 bond, a month after he was first jailed. He and his wife are residents of the upscale Wolf Laurel community and were guests at a country club fundraising event for the Southern Appalachian Repertory Theatre Guild on July 30, the night of the shooting.

But investigators say a mix of guns and alcohol led to attacks outside both men’s homes.

The Buncombe County Sheriff’s Department said Crowe, on Sept. 11, shot the rear window out of a car leaving his home after dropping off his companion. Investigators said the man driving the car told them he didn’t know Crowe.

Detectives said Crowe then fired in the direction of a neighbor who was shouting at him to stop. Neither neighbor nor driver was hit by the gunfire.

Finding Candler intoxicated at the Wolf Laurel Country Club, emergency medical service workers and firefighters followed his wife as she drove him back to their house on El Miner Drive, Madison County, investigators said.

Among them was Tami Stephen. As the Madison County paramedic helped Candler out of his car, detectives say he pulled a gun and shot her in the chest.

A doctor on Monday approved Stephen to go back to work in mid-October, she said.

She attended a ceremony in her honor Sept. 23 in her hometown of Burnsville where she and other emergency responders received recognition.

The shooting that shocked 911 responders has also made them more cautious, Stephen said.

“If they all have learned something from my example,” she said, “hopefully it will never happen again.”

A grand jury indicted Candler on Sept. 18 on three assault charges.
Statistics

WNC is home to 1,821 residents 65 and older with a concealed weapons permit:

• Avery: 53.
• Buncombe: 297.
• Cherokee: 140.
• Clay: 50.
• Graham: 50.
• Haywood: 176.
• Henderson: 146.
• Jackson: 87.
• Macon: 174.
• Madison: 30.
• McDowell: 105.
• Mitchell: 76.
• Polk: 51.
• Rutherford: 149.
• Swain: 44.
• Transylvania: 42.
• Watauga: 89.
• Yancey: 62.

Source: State Bureau of Investigation
Contact Jordan Schrader via e-mail at [email protected].

BTW, there's currently a gun related poll on the paper's frontpage: http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

Vote away... :evil:
 
If there aren't enough young gunnies, it's because current gunnies aren't taking them shooting.

Seriously, how many kids have absolutely zero interesting in shooting a gun?

A few folks are going to write in and say

a) "Well, my good-for-nothing nephew just wants to play videogames and eat Cheetos, so I say that modern kids aren't interested in guns."

b) "My sister is anti-gun, and her daughter is too scared to even come to my house because I own a Ruger Single Six in a lockbox."

Well, both of those kids can be brought to the light if their friends try it first. Peer pressure cuts both ways.


If you want future shooters, take people shooting.

-MV
 
Well, my son and his friends are sure interested, but I don't speak for the whole nation.

Probably because they are all being fed "Guns are bad" and "Guns Kill!" crap. They are probably so scared of guns that they never want anything to do with them. Now all the kids want to do is watch weird Japanese shows and play video games.
 
there are few kids I have ever met who wouldn't shoot a gun if given the chance to do so.

Now teenagers maybe because by that time they can already have their own ideas and feed into things, good or bad. But Even then I know few who wont take a few shots if given the chance.
 
I agree. I had never fire a gun until my 18th birthday with my father. He likes guns, but only for sport. I have been into guns throughout most of my teenage years. I learned stuff from the internet and Tom Clancy games, but never had actual experience with them. I'll say that that probably is why I get asked the question, "How come you know so much (so being a relative term) about guns, but you have only been shooting less than a dozen times in your life?" I wish my father had gotten me into shooting well before I turned 18. This is where I agree with MV, it isn't that a lot of kids don't want to, it is because older and more responsible adults do not show them the value of a firearm.
 
its that way with a lot of things. People used to be happy to teach the next generation things, now they simply could care less both in private and in buisness.

Try getting to be an apprentice somewhere, no one is interested anymore. Everyone just says go to school for it.
 
I agree. I had never fire a gun until my 18th birthday with my father. He likes guns, but only for sport.

Same story here. For years Da said "yeah, we should go out shooting one of these days", and we never did.

Turned 18, said "I really want to go shooting", Da says "Single Six and Nylon 66 are in the closet, help yourself."

I ended up taking a good dozen of my friends out shooting, then joined the military. Now I work at the UT Range (Austin campus) with THR member MacPelto (and other THR members), and we teach a dozen newbies on a good shift. They go and tell their friends, their friends come and try it, etc.

Hopefully we'll get even better flow once people start sporting our club T-shirts around campus. Burnt Orange with crossed rifles...

-MV
 
I just got back from the range with a 14 and 11 year old, neither belong to me. One of the dads goes with us, the 14 YO's dad isn't into shooting so lets him tag along with us. I've been teaching the 11 year old to shoot, started with .22 pistols and rifles last year, plus some skeet with a youth 20 ga. This year he wants to deer hunt so we have him shooting my 6x45 AR, I changed out to a collapsible stock so it fits him, and another friend is going to let him shoot a couple of does on his place during youth season. The 14 year old probably knows more about guns than me.
 
Um...well the baby boomers are getting close to retirement age and there just aren't going to be as many young people as older in the next twenty years. I think the baby boomer generation was also much more gun friendly.....as was the world they grew up in.
 
Back east this could be an issuse:

Busy schedules, and lack of facilities within a decent distance.

Out here, we just drive out to the desert.

Also: I average 40 kids per month in hunter ed class, and our CCW classes average 20 per week, mostly 20 and 30 somethings.
 
D'oh....didn't realize someone beat me to it! :D

Hmmm...kinda depressing to look at the numbers of gun owners going down, especially in my age category (the youngest).

Well, guess my half-dollar for the actual newspaper was well spent - I can't seem to find the table listing percantage of gun owners broken down by decade and age group on the web page... Nuts.

I don't think the guy they mentioned was the best example of a CCWer..

-Dosent think crime can happen to him because he lives in a "nice" place
-Isn't sure if he would be willing to kill in self-defense..
-...which is good since he only packs a .22!

I know any gun in the hand beats a .454 in the safe, but "deep concealment" should not be a factor for a car gun...

But trying to be optimistic, maybe these "non-gun-owning" young people are just paranoid, and it's none of the mostly liberal ACT's business if they own guns! :D
 
I'm sixteen now and in January my dad took me shooting for the first time. I saved up my money and bought a less than spectacular Heritage Arms .22 SAA clone. It was a nice expirience, too. Just went again today, actually. Some working over the summer got me some spending money and I might be buying a Ruger GP-100 later. (Loved the more powerful feel of my dad's old 9mm Lorcin (Yeah, that's his only pistol. Sad, I know)) I'm very interested in firearms and have been scanning these forums, Wikipedia, and the Firing Line forums quite a lot, amassing all the firearm knowledge I can. Should I have a son (and we haven't been dis-armed by our 'protective' government by then) I'll be passing on the shooting life to them. ;)
 
Here are some of the numbers from the chart:

In 1980, percentage of people surveyed with a gun in their household

18-29: 51.7
30-39: 50.5
40-49: 54
50-64: 51.1
65+: 46.4


Compare to 2004. :(

18-29: 22.1
30-39: 30.6
40-49: 43
50-64: 46.3
65+: 47.3

Senior gun ownership went up slightly, while ownership among the youngest dropped very sharply...
 
well I remember being told or it atleast being implied MANY times, that guns were BAD. little did they know I had positive reinforcement when it came to guns when I went went home so I didn't get brain washed. I now try my best to spread firearms awareness and show the joys of shooting (not to mention how it is a responsible citizens duty) to as many people as possible. Although I'm usually a little slanted to who I convince to come shoot with me the most. Theres just something about a beautifull woman shooting and loving it that makes a feeling like no other:)
 
Correction: anwers to surveys went down.

I don't have a home phone, so have never been in one.

Back when I did have a phone, I always hung up.
 
Maybe it's systematic survey error, but I doubt it. The pollsters aren't perfect, but they know the technical end of their profession. More likely it has to do with the decline of hunting, increased urbanization, changing attitudes towards guns and political polarization.
 
Put guns back into the curriculi in schools.
Air guns, in the gym, find local places for kids to participate in various shooting sports, archery as well.

Each one teach one, at least one. Each one taught will pass forward Freedoms, from Ammo, Soap and Voting Box .
 
there are few kids I have ever met who wouldn't shoot a gun if given the chance to do so.
Many times I have offered to teach a child how to shoot, but have had very little success.

I have found that the biggest obstacle is not the child; it's the parents. The typical soccer mom is usually aghast at the idea of her little Johnny being in the same room with an evil gun, let alone shooting it.

Good luck trying to get a kid to shoot when his/her parents are anti-gun...
 
I am a young shooter also

Dear All,
I am a 22 year old law student, and I am an avid shooter. I will agree that increasing urbanization, esp. in the north, has lead to a decline in shooters- as well as anti- soccer moms. However, there is hope to increase the amount of young shooters- college. many young adults are more willing to experiment with new things once they get to college, and shooting is one of them- I personally know of two guys from my undergrad that I was able to convince to get into shooting because I took them with me to shoot my 10/22 when I brought them home on break. So, we just need to steal a page from the antis and work on kids when they are seperated from their parents. I think there has been a recent upsurge in people learning to shoot due to a desire for more self- sufficiency, however- hopefully more people will begin to take responsibility for their own self-defense needs.
 
About two years ago a friend and her son came over, and he asked to see my gun. I opened the safe and his eyes opened wide in dissbeliefe. I later had the pleasure to take him shooting. Subsequently he earned his rifle badge in the boyscouts and has been practicing with an air rifle in his living room.

About a week ago, a different friend came over with his son. The father asked to see my gun. I pulled out a deer rifle, and the son went nuts. He said he hated guns and ran from the room. I really wanted to ask him why. Perhaps it is their schools. One attends public schools, the junior marksman goes to parochial school. Education may be an important factor.
Mauserguy
 
Good luck trying to get a kid to shoot when his/her parents are anti-gun...

When they're under 18 and their parents' property, yes.

When they're 18 and in college or working: "Yeah, your mom said that guns were bad for you, but that's what she said about beer and loose women, right?"



IRT declining ownership rates: aside from the issue of people who own guns but don't say so in surveys (I'm not a stat guy, so don't know how that particular survey "adjusts for non-response"), there's a larger interesting issue:

Let's say in 1980 you have 10 twentysomething gun-owners. Eight of those ten own a deer rifle or whatever, and a box of ammo lasts them three years. Guy number nine has grampa's old Iver Johnson break-action unloaded in the sock drawer and the ammo up in the attic. And the tenth guy owns an M1A and a 1911 and competes in Bullseye matches.

Now let's say in 2004 you have five twentysomething gun-owners. Now one of the five has a duck-gun and shoots two boxes of shells a year. The four others own ARs, CZ-75s with full-cap mags, have CCW, compete in IDPA, etc.

Which group is better for the future of RKBA?

Not saying it's breaks down right like that, but I'd say the overall trend is going that direction: fewer "casual" gun owners, more activists.

-MV
 
Im almost 20 now, and i've been shooting for as long as i can remember. My dad started my off with bb guns in the back yard just about as soon as i could walk, and he got me a 22 when i was about 11 or 12, been shooting ever since. (i also have 3 shotguns, 4 rifles, and 4 pistols...and i aint done yet:evil: )
 
This is my youngest. His older brothers are gunnies too!
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