'Senior Militia' brooks no threat

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Published: 08.05.2004

'Senior Militia' brooks no threat
Members keep gun skills sharp so they won't be targets
By Lynn Doan
LAS VEGAS SUN

LAS VEGAS - Some arrive at the indoor shooting range in wheelchairs. Others use walkers. A few are missing limbs lost in wars.

They call themselves the "Senior Militia," a group of about 20 gunslingers mostly in their 60s who meet twice weekly to shoot the breeze - and their guns.

They are vigilant about their standing date for target practice because they think that off the range they are the targets.

"Old people tell me they feel like sheep, because they're so helpless," said John McCormack, 80, unofficial president of the group.

McCormack and other members of the group are part of a growing population of Americans older than 65 who are the most likely of all age groups to own guns.

Until the 1990s, men 40 to 49 were the demographic group most likely to own guns, said Tim Smith of the National Opinion Research Center in Chicago. Now gun ownership is most prevalent among senior citizens, Smith said.

In 1982, 30 percent of Americans older than 65 reported they owned guns, compared with 38 percent of Americans ages 40 to 49, according to a survey by the National Opinion Research Center.

That reversed by 2002, with 37 percent of Americans older than 65 owning guns and 24 percent of Americans ages 40 to 49 reporting ownership.

Smith said the shift was partly because Americans who reported having guns two decades ago moved into the older age group and because younger generations have lost interest in hunting.

Eighty percent of gun owners own rifles and shotguns, the most popular hunting guns, and 60 percent own handguns, Smith said. Almost half of gun owners possess both.

"The oldest adults were, at least at one time, the most avid of hunters," he said.

Now they fear they're the hunted, according to The Gun Store manager Dave Vining, who heads the store's concealed-weapons instruction program.

"They're scared," Vining said. "They're afraid they won't be able to protect themselves against home invasions, muggings, robberies, carjackings."

It's not that older people are more likely to be crime victims.

Since January, 9 percent of robberies in Las Vegas were committed against citizens older than 60, according to police. Three percent of assault and battery victims were older than 60.

People 65 and older make up 10 percent of the population of Clark County, according to the state demographer's office.

Las Vegas police Sgt. Tom Johnson, who handles gun registration and concealed-firearms permits, said he thinks senior citizens buy guns to feel safer in crime-ridden areas.

Johnson said gun shops tend to exaggerate the number of senior citizens purchasing guns, but he said the department does not keep track of gun ownership according to age, sex or religion.

All the members of the Senior Militia have gone through the qualification and registration process that lets them carry their weapons concealed in public.

Vince Pillig, 58, one of the younger members of the group, said he has twice shown his gun to teens he thought were trying to rob him.

Once, Pillig said, he was home alone when he spotted some teenagers climbing over the wall of his back yard. Pillig went to his back screen door, showed them his gun and told them to leave.

Another time, Pillig said he flashed the butt of his gun at teenagers at his door who claimed to be selling magazine subscriptions. They could not provide identification, Pillig said, and they fled in a car with no license plate.

Gun ownership among senior citizens isn't risk-free, said Matt Bennett, a spokesman for Americans for Gun Safety. The national organization says law-abiding adults have the right to own guns but fears that some older adults are incapable of handling a gun responsibly.

Bennett said gun-related suicides among senior citizens also are a major concern. In 2002, the most recent year for which numbers are available, the National Center for Health Statistics reported that 16,882 Americans committed suicide with guns, 36 percent of whom were older than 55.
 
Amen brothers. I may be old and disabled but please don't think that this old Vietnam Vet can't still shoot. The Glock 26 on my hip is not for show. At every range vist no matter what other guns I bring the baby Glock gets 5 or 6 mags put through it. Prior to getting my CCP everytime I put that disabled placard in the window I felt like I had a sign around my neck the said" easy mark, please rob". Not only do I feel more confident,but I just might have a little of the old "swagger" to my step. Not quite as good as Viagra, but close.
 
Two thoughts occur. Why would a polling firm be inclined to think that, after all the negative media coverage on guns in general and handguns in particular, that a respondent would be inclined to blab about an obviously personal issue? I would be willing to bet that they in a lot of cases they are told that it is none of their business and get hung up on. How does that get entered into the statistical analysis?

It's also interesting to note that one of the arguments against gun ownership is that it can facilitate suicide. Liberals are also very pro-euthanasia which is just another way of accomplishing the same end. It seems odd that suicide, pursued by some sort of medical "cocktail" would be laudable, while if committed with a firearm is a "tragedy".

Which, by the way, does not imply that I favor euthanasia. I don't...

In other words, there is a lot of intellectual dishonesty out there.

As a "FOG" (future old geezer") I expect to be carrying until my kids gently but insistently tell me it is time to hang 'em up. But then I taught them everything they know, which includes how to shoot.
 
Gun ownership among senior citizens isn't risk-free, said Matt Bennett, a spokesman for Americans for Gun Safety. The national organization says law-abiding adults have the right to own guns but fears that some older adults are incapable of handling a gun responsibly.

He would probably say this about any group of people if he could come up with a "reasonable" excuse to do so. I don't care what age, color, religion, etc. someone is. I am glad to see more and more people arming themselves. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.;)
 
A couple of observations if I may:

- I'm 49 , growing up we did not have 911.
- I've always had a tendency to hang around older folks - I respectfully call them my "elders". These "elders" served in wars, survived The Great Depression, did not depend on the gummit - didn't trust the gummit or banks.
-Everybody carried a firearm, all houses had at least one loaded firearm and ready for use. We did not have "permisson slips" back then. Screw the rules, we were concerned with Communism - many had seen the devistation of Communism on foreign shores. Reality - not politicans or talking heads...ratings...
- Kids - like me , were taught gun safety and how to shoot, no gun locks, no gummit meddlin' ..."The most dangerous weapon is a unloaded firearm - Mark Twain [going from memory on the quote]

I was visiting an old friend - and elder of mine. He used the word "Perpetuation" . What he was referring to is that folks "perpetuated" the teachings of old ways....made no nevermind what the gummit said ....some matters need to be kept passed on regardless. We need to keep teaching the young, we need to assist the older folks.

You see my mom is 74, she has a legitimate need for handicap parking dealie ....I made a BIG deal of not getting a handicap license plate. We have the option of a hang tag. Mom uses a hang tag.

This elder finally needed to get a handicap dealie too, knee replacement at 72...he heeded the same warning - he has a hang tag.

See mom had a best friend attacked - she had the handicap plates. She later died from all this trauma. My elder buddy....had a relative attacked in his driveway....most likely followed him from the Drug Store - saw the handicap plates....

I have worked with some elders on shooting, some with impairments. Neat deal is to get kids and the elders shooting together.....perpetuation.

One of our most valuable and precious resources are our elders.

I know quite a few elders that are gonna be prepared if things get serious...even with age, arthritis, osteo problems...these elders have more backbone, spirit and guts....than many younger.

Since I'm always going to be adding years....I'm grateful to the lessons taught and the perpetuation I see of elders keeping the firearms on person - and handy at home.

I get to take this elder buddy out shooting....and he is thanking me....no - it is he that I thank instead.
 
It's kinda funny (in a perverse way) that we give "hate crime" status to violent crimes committed against Gays and minorities...but not to those committed against 80 year old blind women in wheelchairs. :fire:
 
Even the old fogies aren't immune from the antis.:fire:
There is a tavern in a tiny little town near me that had what they called the "German-American Air Rifle Club" where old geezers got together a few nights a week to have a few beers and shoot their air rifles at an indoor target range that was part of the tavern. Some of the neighbors found out what was going on inside and started to complain to the village and under pressure from the neighbors, the village yanked their liquor license and their permit for their inddor range.
 
Just because they were able to jump from planes into France...or storm the beaches at Normandy or Iwo doesn't mean they can shoot BB guns and drink beer.....oh wait....never mind...it must be the English ale I wuz drinkin last night. :uhoh:
 
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