Ever wonder what might happen to your gun when it's evidence?

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Weapons weren’t returned by Sheriff’s Office

ASHEVILLE, NC — A retired law enforcement official believes guns stolen from his Alexander home 20 years ago are among those missing from the Buncombe County Sheriff’s Office.

Retired officer Ray Moore believes the guns were in the custody of the Buncombe County Sheriff’s Office in 1996 but were never returned to him.

“My guns were just flat out stolen by Buncombe County,” said Moore, who retired in 2003 as supervisor of court security for the U.S. Marshals Service at the federal courthouse in Asheville. “I think it’s a sad, sorry day when you can’t trust law enforcement.”

The State Bureau of Investigation has launched a criminal probe into the handling of evidence under former Sheriff Bobby Medford after county auditors found widespread problems.

Medford left in December after being defeated by Van Duncan.

Moore said the collection, which included a Colt .45 and a rare Winchester, was worth $40,000.
One gun recovered

Henderson County authorities recovered one of Moore’s 11 missing guns and returned it to him early this year, he said. That led him to suspect others might have been found, and he contacted the Buncombe County Sheriff’s Office.

Officials in Duncan’s administration allowed Moore to see a case file that showed eight of the 11 guns were listed as recovered in 1996 in a national database, Moore said.

“Nobody ever notified me about the guns at all,” said Moore, who worked for the U.S. Marshals Service for 16 years and as a police officer in Michigan for 22 years.

Moore asked whether the guns were in the evidence room. An official said he checked but the guns couldn’t be found, Moore said.

Lt. Randy Sorrells, a Sheriff’s Office spokesman, said Friday he could not comment on the case until he’s had more time to look into it.

But Sorrells said if the department ever had possession of the guns, the case could become part of the SBI investigation.

District Attorney Ron Moore, not related to Ray Moore, called for the investigation last month after seeing findings from the county audit. It said 223 handguns and 114 rifles and shotguns could not be located, proved to have been destroyed or returned to their owner by court order.
Keeping track of sales

Finding the missing guns could be impossible if they were sold, according to a gun dealer.

Wayne Bennett, of Bennett’s Gun Exchange in Franklin, said most dealers ask few questions about guns they buy.

“If I buy a gun, I don’t call and check to see if it is stolen,” he said.

“To be honest with you, people are leery about running a check. Because if you got a gun and you think it is stolen and you call the sheriff and say, ‘Would you mind checking my gun and seeing if it is stolen?’ and he does and it is stolen, it’s gone — you lost it. They are going to take it.”

There isn’t a national database of guns sold that investigators could reference as they try to piece together what might have happened to the firearms.

Bennett, who has been in business since 1998, said when he buys a gun, he requires a picture identification card from the seller.

The law doesn’t require that, but Bennett does it just in case the gun turns out to be stolen. That way he won’t be held responsible.

He makes a record of the gun, including its make, model and serial number, and the name of the seller.

Bennett said most gun dealers use the “Blue Book of Gun Values” as a pricing guide. Gun values vary depending on condition, make and model.

A Colt .45 caliber, for example, might go for $600. A Smith & Wesson might bring $300.
Medford’s response

Medford said last week he did not expect the SBI investigation to result in charges against him or any of his staff.

Medford said the missing guns had been encased in concrete used in building an addition to the county jail. He said there had been no theft of the guns or of drugs and money.

The guns had been evidence in cases that were closed, he said.

The county official in charge of the jail construction said Medford’s explanation for the missing guns could not be true.

The guns destroyed and encased in concrete about two years ago were obtained through a buyback program overseen by the district attorney, county official Bill Stafford said.

Stafford said he signed documentation to destroy the $50,000 worth of weapons.
Guns seized in cases go through methodical process

The law for getting rid of guns seized in criminal cases in North Carolina gives wide discretion to judges.

It is broken into two parts: A case with a conviction and a case without.

In a case with a conviction, a judge may return the gun to its owner, but not if the owner was convicted of a crime involving the gun. It could be turned over to a sheriff to be destroyed.

A judge also may award the gun to the N.C. State Bureau of Investigation’s Crime Laboratory Weapons Reference Library, or give it to the N.C. Justice Academy for official use.

A law enforcement agency involved in the case, also, could get the gun for sale or use.

In cases where there is no conviction, a judge may return the gun to its owner.

In cases where there is no clear ownership of the weapon, the gun may be turned over to the sheriff to be destroyed or it could be given to the law enforcement agency involved in the case.

The way sheriffs destroy guns varies.

Macon County Sheriff Robert Holland said his department uses a cutting torch to reduce guns to small pieces when a judge orders weapons destroyed.

“When it is destroyed, it is typically photographed and you typically have a couple of witnesses,” he said.
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your gun will be sold out the back door of the station, end of story.

have been told this by retired officers... sad but true...
 
Ive been told by a veteran police shooting instructor that they had a points system for "removing" confiscated items. Each day a different officer would have their pick out of whatever firearms they had laying around the evidence room. The left overs would be spread out among the remaining cops. They left the guns that were involved in on going investigations alone of course. Seems like a quick way to build up a small arsenal.
 
He said there had been no theft of the guns or of drugs and money.

Lol guilty conscience?:)

Doubleg it's not inconcievable, the world over corruption is a fact of life, not even considered technically bad in many places. It's actually hard to believe that all police would be pure and incorruptable, that they would be anything other than a mirror of the populace they serve.
 
Years ago I had four guns stolen. I reported it right away. A couple days later the cops caught some punk breaking into houses and found my .45 in his car. I went in to the sherrif's office and identified it. They told me that they would need to keep it for evidence but would let me know when they were done with it.

Months went by and I heard nothing. Then late one night I was pulled over by a county patrolman looking for drunks, because my "liscense plate light was out". It turned out to be the same officer who originally took the report. He was friendly enough, recognized me and asked if I ever got my .45 back. I told him what they told me at the time. "Oh, no" he said, "You have to bug them. You won't ever see it again unless you go down and remind them that you expect to get it back."

Sure enough, I went down the next day, was sent from one place to another until I found someone who could find it, and it's back in my safe right now. I've always appreciated that particular officer. A real good guy.

I've wondered about the other guns that were not found. Is it possible there were recovered at some time and I was never notified? Is there some way of checking? I sure would love to have that 4" nickel model 29 back especially, though I suspect it's long, long gone.
 
That's why my carry piece is a Glock 23. Extremely reliable and if it was ever taken in for evidence I could replace it very inexpensively. It's the reason I stopped carrying my HK. Plus, the Glock holds 13 rounds vs 12 for the HK. Everything else is stored in my gun safe, so hopefully no one will ever want to take the time to open it.
 
That's why my carry piece is a Glock 23. Extremely reliable and if it was ever taken in for evidence I could replace it very inexpensively.
I agree. A reliable Taurus can always be replaced without many tears. You don't know when your gun could be taken. You could be in a car accident, pulled over for a traffic violation etc. Who cares if you're in the right? You can still come out on the short end.
 
Evidence

I once had a revolver held as evidence. In spite of promises to return it, they didn't. I bugged them and a year later was able to go to the property room and recover it. To find that they had used a buzzer to engrave ALL the details of the case on it. The wired a tag to the trigger guard nicking that. Then stored it in a large envelope with all the case details. Stored it under humid conditions (in Arizona, mind you!) and allowed it to accumulate rust. So all in all, it was pretty much ruined.

Don't use a piece with any sentimental value as a carry piece or a house gun!
 
I have heard of incidents whereas firearms and cocaine were stolen from
police evidence lockers. I'm quite sure this is an age old tale, that has
happened from the time records were kept; especially during the days
of prohibition and the notoroious gangs of the 20's, 30's and 40's. J.
Edgar Hoovers boys may have slowed it down somewhat; but I'd be
willing to bet its still happening~! :eek::scrutiny::(
 
I freely admit that my carry guns are a meeting point between reliability and cost for exactly this reason.

They are reliable and I wouldn't trust them for CCW if they weren't, but if (God forbid!) I ever have to use them I'm not going to cry a river if I don't actually get them back.

The really nice guns get to go to the range and that's about it.
 
I have heard of incidents whereas firearms and cocaine were stolen from
police evidence lockers. I'm quite sure this is an age old tale, that has
happened from the time records were kept; especially during the days
of prohibition and the notoroious gangs of the 20's, 30's and 40's. J.
Edgar Hoovers boys may have slowed it down somewhat; but I'd be
willing to bet its still happening~!
This is so ubiqitous in the Chicago PD that a Chicago cop actually tried to justify to me the banning of the FN 5.7 for civilian use because the police THEMSELVES couldn't hang onto the armor piercing ammunition for it. He cited a notorious recent property room case in Chicago.
 
I have heard of incidents whereas firearms and cocaine were stolen from
police evidence lockers. I'm quite sure this is an age old tale, that has
happened from the time records were kept; especially during the days
of prohibition and the notoroious gangs of the 20's, 30's and 40's. J.
Edgar Hoovers boys may have slowed it down somewhat; but I'd be
willing to bet its still happening~!

You mean incidents like this?
On March 9, when Mr. Diener learned that there was an ongoing FBI investigation, he gave a paint can containing 25 grams of cocaine and 387 grams of marijuana to one of the cooperating witnesses so it wouldn't be found in any search of his home, Mr. Stallings said.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06164/697758-55.stm
 
...blood pressure rising...trying not to get PO, ok what the hell! *melts down* I feel really bad that this guy lost that amount of weapons, I would truley be sad if it were me, cause that is a lifetime of dedication to firearms collecting.
 
That story of the officer who reminded the THR member to get his .45 from the police station was a heartwarming story. They seem to be getting more and more rare :-/
 
My best friend had a Walther PPKS stolen, it was recovered when the hoodlum's were caught six months later. The police from 6 towns over tracked him down quickly and he got his pistol back as quick as the trial was over. He then gave it me because he did not like the idea that this pistol might of been used to kill/hurt someone. It is my go to carry pistol and it will remain in my family forever.

Peyton
 
I am not really concerned about losing a CCW pistol. I will get what I think is accurate and reliable. If I lose it because I had to use it to defend myself, that is probably the least of my worries.
 
I have a friend that had a friend staying with him that had some type of warrant out for her. The cops showed up to serve the warrant and confiscated all his guns (6). He of course did nothing wrong to deserve gun confiscation so he contacted the sheriff to get them back, they told him to hire a lawyer. After about a year and a hefty lawyer tab he got his guns back... BUT EACH ONE HAD AN OFFICERS INITIALS SCRATCHED INTO THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Apparently after a certain amount of time these officers would get their pick of the firearms in evidence. I was absolutely appalled.
 
In addition to the above posts-

Jim Kennan on more than one occasion has shared what happens when a firearm is taken into evidence as well.

I myself have have seen what happens to guns taken into evidence, whether my own, from being on a jury, or other reasons.

I am familiar with stolen guns, being found.

Now one needs to think about what they carry and use.
Sure - one cannot put a price on staying safe, and the value of the gun is the least of the worries...

Still a ...
Custom 1911 ~ $3500 with evidence number engraved onto slide and frame with a electric engraving...
Colt Python engraved ...
Beretta 92 with busted stocks, dirty from being fired and rusted and pitted...

Browning Citori recovered with barrels whacked off with a hacksaw, and that nice wood stock, cut down to a Pistol Grip Only recovered some 3 years later...
 
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