Note to FL tourists: 'Behave yourselves and all is fine....." (merged thread)

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Port St. Lucie's promo line?

"I am not sure how many people can be squeezed into Florida but the developers here are determined to find out."
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Isn't that the truth! :D

Back on topic - As mentioned above, we're certainly better off without the sort of folks who would consider the 'no retreat' law a negative factor when planning a visit. :barf:
 
Perhaps the antis missed the point that Florida liberalized its CCW laws several years ago precisely so that tourists would feel safer in traveling there, and the new law is a small additional step in that same direction.
 
Florida's law sparks campaign to warn tourists about potential violence

Trying to scare the sheep into staying home. For pro-gunners, it says the streets are safer since the BGs know there is no doubt that we can shoot if we need to.

Florida's 'Force with force' law sparks campaign to warn tourists about potential violence

By Linda Kleindienst
Tallahassee Bureau Chief
Posted September 26 2005


TALLAHASSEE -- Warning that Florida streets have the potential to morph into the O.K. Corral, gun-control advocates will launch an international campaign to alert travelers about a new state law that allows people to use deadly force in self-defense.

On Saturday it will become legal to use force on an attacker without first trying to escape the confrontation.

Supporters say the measure, which they dub the "Stand Your Ground" law, allows residents to protect themselves by meeting force with force.

Opponents, who call it the "Shoot First Law," warn it could hand itchy trigger fingers a license to kill.

"It's a particular risk faced by travelers coming to Florida for a vacation because they have no idea it's going to be the law of the land," said Peter Hamm, communications director of the Washington, D.C.-based Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "If they get into a road rage argument, the other person may feel he has the right to use deadly force."

In a flier the group plans to pass out at Miami International Airport and possibly Orlando International Airport, tourists will be admonished to take precautions that include: "Do not argue unnecessarily with local people." Newspapers ads, billboards and the Internet will also be used to spread the word.

Championed by the National Rifle Association, the law makes it legal for someone to use deadly force against anyone who unlawfully or forcefully enters their home or car -- even if they are not being attacked.

Marion Hammer, president of Unified Sportsmen of Florida and a former NRA president, said the fearmongers are off-base. She said the new law seals the existing right of residents to protect their homes by shooting intruders, a concept known as the Castle Doctrine that dates back to the 1400s. But it extends that right to public places if people feel threatened with death or bodily harm.

The law was needed, she contends, because Florida prosecutors and courts have imposed a duty to retreat on law-abiding people who are attacked by criminals.

"When they take away your basic rights and freedoms, every once in a while you have to take it back. No law-abiding citizen should be forced to retreat from an attacker ... in their homes or any place they have a legal right to be," Hammer said.

"Under existing law, you have a duty to try to run and maybe get chased down and beaten to death," she added. "Now, if you have a knife, firearm or pepper spray, you can use force to protect yourself."

Willie Meggs, who was president of the Florida Prosecuting Attorneys Association when the Legislature considered the bill this spring, said it solves a problem that doesn't exist.

"We may not have any problems with it and if we don't, that's fine," said Meggs, the state attorney for Leon County. "But what I worry about, and I don't know if it will come to fruition, is that people who should be prosecuted will have a defense for using force when they didn't need to."

In signing the bill into law last spring, Gov. Jeb Bush defended the measure, saying it "defies common sense" to force people to retreat when they're in a life-threatening situation.

The Brady Campaign, established by former presidential spokesman Jim Brady and his wife Sarah, plans to aggressively advertise on the Internet to warn out-of-state tourists. Hamm said that as of Wednesday when the phrase "Florida Vacation" is typed onto some search engines a link to www.shootfirstlaw.org will pop up.

The group is also running ads in the travel sections of the Boston Globe, Detroit Free Press, Chicago Tribune and likely some London newspapers beginning Sunday. They will also be putting up billboards in places where they can be easily seen by tourists and passing out airport fliers in English and Spanish.

"The biggest myth in Florida is [that] this is about protecting people who use legitimate self-defense," Hamm said. "This law ... sends a message to people who are potentially unstable and have an itchy trigger finger that as long as they can make a reasonable case they were in fear, they can use deadly force against somebody."

The measure had overwhelming support in the Legislature, where it passed the Senate in a 39-0 vote and the House, 94-20.

"We're the wild, wild West and I think criminals will abuse it," said Rep. Eleanor Sobel, D-Hollywood, one of the few who voted against the measure. "There will be more street fights ... especially if there is a criminal element in a certain area, [and] they won't hesitate to use their guns."

Nonsense, said Hammer, saying the law will now do what most people thought it already did.

"Most people know you can't chase somebody down the street and shoot them," she said.

Linda Kleindienst can be reached at lkleindienst

@sun-sentinel.com or 850-224-6214.


The Brady Campaign, established by former presidential spokesman Jim Brady and his wife Sarah,
Another lie. Jim Brady had nothing to do with establishig the Brady Campaign. He was in no physical nor mental condition to establish anything. After he got better he was paraded to the press to show what guns could do. Dd
 
Go to the "shootfirstlaw.org" website. It's password protected with a really goofy question.

Heck, I can't think of anyone who wouldn't like this campaign. I'm sure the residents of Florida won't mind if tourists learn not to complain to them. As for the fearmongers, they just keep losing credibility.
 
Actually from what I can tell, the new law doesnt really change too many of the issues that will be litigated over. If the police decide that it wasnt a good shoot you still have an expensive journey ahead of you.

Fortunately the cops around here dont really give two sh*ts about burglars. I remember a few years back a dispatcher got the sheriffs dept sued. A homeowner called saying that he shot an intruder (implying that the intruder wasnt dead yet). She responded in a joking manner that they would send someone over to make sure he was dead. I guess the burglar's next of kin's lawyer got ahold of the 911 call.
 
"It's a particular risk faced by travelers coming to Florida for a vacation because they have no idea it's going to be the law of the land,"
Refugees from New Orleans be warned . . . when you try to behave in Florida the same way you do back home, you may be shot by your intended victim.

From reading their statements, it's obvious that the Brady Campaign idiots identify with the bad guys.
 
boo hoo hoo

No-duty-to-retreat has been the law in Virginia since The War Between the States . . . and VA has a lower crime rate than FL and just about every state that has a duty to retreat . . .and a huge tourism industry, to boot . . :cool:
 
Hey tourists! Come to Florida where crooks are likely to get shot by their victims. Your right to defend yoruself is well supported.

Or, go to NYC, or DC, or LA, where the crooks know that you are unarmed prey, and the local government considers you a troublesome untrustworthy nuisance, and will work you over worse than your attacker will do you.



Hmmmm.....
 
Merged and moved to appropriate area. Please forgive any resulting confusion!

pax
 
While I don't see a OK Coral type of situation here at all, I do see a potential for abuse and misunderstanding of the law from some of the idiots who do carry.
I quit teaching the CCW classes last year because of the single digit IQ's that kept signing up.

We do have our fare share of those who abuse the privilege of being stupid.
 
I guess I missed this latest "sky is falling" warning since I was still out on the street waiting for the flood of Uzis and AKs to flow through the streets.
 
:fire: I really wanted to have a big rant about this, and the idiotic Anti's, but my wife (the smarter of the two of us) pointed out two things. It was time for my BP meds, and "idiotic Anti's" is rendundant.
I guess its better that I spend the time getting the children to play the "Brass Sorting Game" with Daddy, then preaching to the choir.
 
This is from www.shootfirstlaw.org

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Arguing with motorists on Flordia roads? As opposed to what, arguing with pedestrians on Florida sidewalks?

What about arguing with invalids in Florida nursing homes? I can still do that, can't I?

Arguing with the deceased in Florida's cemetaries might still be o.k.
 
Sent the below to the email address on the website. Probably won't read it, and if anybody does it probably won't sink in... but it was fun to write, and I got to practice typing.


From actually reading the law I can see several cases where you either haven't read it yourself, or have serious typos in your ads and public statements. Or perhaps are uttering falshoods, but surely not?

It doesn't allow anybody to "shoot first"... it allows you to defend yourself if you believe your life is in danger. What's wrong with that?

In every state which has allowed easy access to concealed carry permits violent crime has gone down. In every state, or country, where they are restricted violent crime is higher than in non-restricted states... or countries. Violent crime in the UK and Canada are both up since their handgun resrictions went into force. When it's criminal to have a gun, only criminals will. Do you think somebody set on robbing a 7-11 or raping a college student will stop at carrying a gun because it's illegal?

Are you suggesting that someone would be safer vacationing in New York City instead of anywhere Florida? Is Detroit better? Los Angeles?

Just because you don't have the self-discipline or emotional control to possess a firearm, doesn't mean everybody is as developmentally disabled as you. Go save a whale or something. Leave me and my rights alone. I fought for them, sweated and bled for them. What have you done besides try to eliminate them?

tanksoldier
 
HEH you had a good logical argument going there... right up untill you smacked them in the face with truth and reality.

I still love it.
 
Arguing with local people? You mean like that Simpsons episode in Florida where Homer killed Captain Jack, the alligator that was the county (Six Toe county IIRC) mascot.

Maybe I could use Homer's opening statement from his trial:

"Drunken hicks of the jury."

"But, I'm your better, your better."

They put Maggie in prison too. :D

Wonder if the Bradys realize that they are declaring themselves enemies of business and friends of criminals??? :confused:
 
One can only hope...

...that this results in a massive Liberal exodus from here.

I think I'll grow a salt-n-pepper beard and have some dog tags made up that identify me as "Serge A. Storms, Florida Native/Historian/Psycho" right now, in anticipation of the big shootout and resulting confusion.
 
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