Notice:Changes in Glock production.

[Boris bush]

A change in production to me would be more like they will go with stamped slides lik the old SIGs or start making titanium frames...

They are just putting the axe to some products that the general public dont need. A less UV resistant frame color that wont last as long as a normal glock=good. RTF is a cheese grater on clothes. Only reason any civilian would need it is for safe queen duties and lets face it, safe queen and Glock are not two wordrs seen together much, if at all. FOr a police officer the OCs all day its a good thing. For someone that carries concealed all day, I bet they got more complaints...

Its just a product line change, not a production change....

 

[Zack]

RTF2 guns will only be available for law Enforcement purchases once GLOCK, Inc. inventory is depleted.

what is RTF2?

 

[REAPER4206969]

Rough Texture Frame 2

 

[LeonCarr]

Will a rough textured frame of any type still be available?

 

[Sapper771]

I personally like the OD and RTF2 Glocks. I currently own a G19 RTF2 (with the fish gill serrations) , G26 OD, and a G17 OD. I guess I feel that the OD green frames make the Glock look more appealing.

If you have rough hands, the RTF2 is great. The RTF3 is good as well, but not as aggressive as RTF2.

As far as the reduced life of the OD/FDE frame material, if the black frame material lasts 500 years (uneducated guesstimate) and the OD/FDE frame material only lasts 400 years (another uneducated guesstimate)......I think I can live with that.

 

[Ithaca37]

Supposedly Glock claims the life of the colored frames to be less than black. This is just hearsay, I can't confirm it.

I find that very hard to believe. Adding pigment should have an effect on the mechanical proprieties of the polymer.

These changes are not that significant. It seems the OD frames were probably not selling well, they have already adopted the RTF3 frame, and who puts adjustable sights on a defensive pistol?

 

[Nasty]

Second on the "AGrip" by Brooks Tactical.

I've a 19 on there from years ago...

 

[Kingofthehill]

I find that very hard to believe. Adding pigment should have an effect on the mechanical proprieties of the polymer.

These changes are not that significant. It seems the OD frames were probably not selling well, they have already adopted the RTF3 frame, and who puts adjustable sights on a defensive pistol?

*SIGH*... people don't read the thread before posting.

YES!... COLOR can affect durability and longevity. I personally think its a BS excuse but it is real.

JOe

 

[Phydeaux642]

Forgive me for sounding smarty-pants, but Google is your friend here. I wasn't sure what rft2 meant, but it was the first response on the google page - with pics.

Yes, so please shut THR down and let us all resort to using our Google-Fu. (I don't mean to sound like a smarty-pants).

 

[Sapper771]

If not the Brooks A-Grip, check out Decal Grips or the Talon grips. If your frugal, get some skateboard tape, cut it out, and apply to your liking. The standard Glock frame texture feels like a bar of soap to me.

I was running a set of sand textured Decal Grips on my G17. They worked great, even in hot+humid weather, sweat, water, and rain . I finally got a Talon Grip for my G17 and will be evaluating it for the next few months. So far it is pretty nice. Very "grippy".

I did give the rubber textured Decal Grips a run, but I didn't like them. They were a bit too thick for my tastes, and they were causing some minor handling issues while I was shooting....so off they went.

 

[Ithaca37]

*SIGH*... people don't read the thread before posting.

YES!... COLOR can affect durability and longevity. I personally think its a BS excuse but it is real.

JOe

Quite is fact I did read the thread. I failed to see anyone provide evidence of to support a reduction in fatigue life of Nylon6,6 composites based on the introduction of pigments. The UV resistance of a pigment does not relate to the fatigue properties of a composite. Pigments can be affected while the polymer itself does not suffer degradation. Also, UV protection is generally provided by a separate additive from the colorant. The UV additive protects both the polymer and colorant from degradation.

I acknowledge that I do not have a definitive answer, but my experience with polymers and composites would suggest that the coloration shouldn't lead to a lower service life for the frame. No one here has provided proof to the contrary. Admittedly, my experience is more with thermosets rather than thermoplastics. so I will try to look into this some more in the next couple of days.

 

[Boris bush]

I just did a little tour with google on the topic.

Color does change how UV light will interact Nylon 6.6. If a Pistol made from it is not kept as a safe queen and it gets as much UV light exposure, the black Nylon 6.6 will last longer.

The info is easy to find, you could read all day with all the info that comes up,,,,

 

[Ithaca37]

Care to share your source of that information? Are we talking about color degradation or the mechanical properties?

Pigments to make the plastic OD are not generally going to offer UV protection. There are other additives for that. Now, for the black frames, they could be using carbon black which can provide UV protection and black coloration. There are many different options for UV protection available. The quantities required for coloration and/or UV protection are small enough that they will not have an impact on the mechanical properties of the composite, so that only leaves the possibility of OD frames having insufficient UV protection and receiving enough UV exposure to have a sufficient impact. find this very hard to believe. I think this falls into the same category as the arm chair engineers who claimed for years on the internet that leaving magazines loaded would damage the springs.

 

[Boris bush]

One very fast one that comes up when you google, then read is here.

They mention their nets made from nylon 66 and its increased resistance to UV light when dyed black. The nets are outside all the time and this is the SAME material Glock frames are made from.

http://www.battingnets.com/analysis.htm

The other sites I found have alot of big technical words most will not understand or even be able to pronounce so I will leave them out.

Like I said. A quick google will provide a bunch of information. What you will not find is big bright blinking letters that say "Glock frame color difference on UV resistance". You gotta do a little reading......

 

[Ithaca37]

Thanks for the link.

My google fu was off earlier, but I seem to be doing ok now.

http://www.layfieldenvironmental.com/pages/EGI/Specifications.aspx?id=5030

Here is how color affects UV resistance:
By making a plastic opaque, the UV light only penetrates the very outer portion of the material. When a plastic is translucent, the UV is able to act on the full thickness and therefore you see degradation on a much larger scale. So, OD frames will not behave differently than black frame because both are opaque.

Opaque plastics are plastics that light does not pass through. In an opaque plastic the light has to break down the outer layer before it can break down the inner section of the plastic. The inner layer of plastic can retain its strength much longer the more opaque the plastic. If a plastic is completely black (or some other opaque colour) then the light only acts on the surface and much less damage will occur over time.

In a clear plastic film, the UVB light acts on the entire thickness at once, and failure occurs at the same time throughout the thickness of the plastic (clear films degrade rapidly). So our first step is to make plastics that will be exposed as opaque as possible. Most lining materials used for exposed linings are heavily loaded with carbon black or other pigments to make them opaque.

 

[Storm]

BTW, Glock may be discontinuing some of their production, but they are expanding their facility in Smyrna, GA. In today's Atlanta Journal Constitution there was an article about the residential neighbors "up in arms" about Glock seeking to expand which will involve clear cutting 25 acres of heavy woods on Glock property. It seems the issue is that it will infringe upon an environmentally protected creek buffer zone. The city is tending towards approving the expansion. The neighbors are taking the predictable position trotting out the kids and one yutz stating that "I think the business they will be doing shouldn't be done next to a residential development". I'd bet dollars to donuts that Glock was there before he was, and probably the development itself. What does the guy think, that Glock will be spinning lead all over the place?

Sorry if that was a bit off-topic, but Glock may be shrinking it's product line a tad, but they are also expanding their facility here in the US.

 

[Clark]

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What's an RFT2 gun???
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What are OD guns?
Forgive me for sounding smarty-pants, but Google is your friend here. I wasn't sure what rft2 meant, but it was the first response on the google page - with pics.

I have owned (3) Glocks for 12 years.
I got 500 shares of Google at the IPO, and I still have it, despite the last 5 doggy years.

I still can't find out what "RFT2" means.

 

[oneounceload]

Buy them OD guns now - they'll be worth a premium in about, say, 15 years or so......

 

[TH3180]

I have owned (3) Glocks for 12 years.
I got 500 shares of Google at the IPO, and I still have it, despite the last 5 doggy years.

I still can't find out what "RFT2" means.

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/product1407.html

"The G17 RTF2 is the second pistol that GLOCK, Inc. has released with the new rough textured frame and slide serration pattern. The newly designed frame incorporates more than 4,000 raised pyramids on the front, rear and sides of the polymer receiverand has a newly designed crescent shaped serration pattern located at the rear of the slide."

Here is a picture of mine

 

[Texas_XD]

RTF2 is just fine on my Gen3 G22.. love it. This includes carrying it casually throughout the day. I haven't seen any holes in my shirts either, but hey, it's all good. I will admit that my holster has a sweat shield so my side meat isn't tenderized. I like it well enough that I'm seriously considering a G23 RTF2.
I can live with or without OD frames... I don't understand how something concealed 9 hrs a day then inside the house at night has any intense UV issues but again, it's all good. I tend to agree about low sales being the main reason, the rest is just them adding "support" to the decision.

 

[ForumSurfer]

RTF2 is just fine on my Gen3 G22.. love it. This includes carrying it casually throughout the day. I haven't seen any holes in my shirts either, but hey, it's all good. I will admit that my holster has a sweat shield so my side meat isn't tenderized.

My holster leaves the slide and butt against my tender side. I have no issues even on days when i don't wear an undershirt. It definitely isn't too rough on my paws, if anything I'd like some more aggressive finish. It does catch on some of my poloshirts when I bend over and causes my shirt to be pulled up visibly, but not horribly and that is something I constantly check for anyway.

I like it well enough that I'm seriously considering a G23 RTF2.

Take a look at the gen4. I had one briefly (650 rounds or so), and while not as aggressive I was much more satisfied with the finish.

 

[Ky Larry]

Don't own a Glock so I have no dog in this fight. I'm sure that if these models were big sellers, Glock would still offer them. Sounds like a business opportunity for someone to provide an aftermarket service refinishing Glock grips.