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Noticed less Hipoint hate/bashing

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by MrWesson, Apr 25, 2011.

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  1. MrWesson

    MrWesson Member

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    Yes another hi-point thread but this one is a bit different.

    Ive noticed the bashing/hating has died down by at least 50% over the past few years and was curious.

    Is it based on the reliability of the platform?
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    Based on the popularity?

    What I mean by popularity is if 1 million people are out there to defend what may be a piece of junk does that quiet the "hating"?

    I am not a hipoint lover or hater I actually owned a C9 way back and it was a good pistol.

    Every firearm's manufacture has to start somewhere do you think that hi-point may head in a direction of Taurus with hicaps/bigger product line?

    This is not a debate on what other used guns you can afford in the price range. Most of us know you can get a $200 CZ82 but most new purchasers aren't looking at C&R guns and are purchasing from a gun store.
     
  2. ColtPythonElite

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    I'd guess this thread will bring out some good ole bashing...
     
  3. Smaug

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    Well, if my feelings are any indication, maybe we are just tired of reading about Hi Points? The threads usually go something like:

    "Hi, I'm new here, and saw a Hi Point in my budget. Are they good guns?"

    "No, they're not good guns. They're cheap and ugly. The slide's hard to rack, and the recoil is unpleasant. Buy a proper used gun instead of a junky new one."

    "But I wanted a new gun, and I can only spend $200! Are they reliable?"

    "Yeah, pretty reliable. Go ahead, get it out of your system then."

    No, I think they build guns to a low price point, to try to get that part of the market. Just like Kia does with cars. They're basic and reliable, but nothing special. This way, they don't have to compete with the Big Boys.

    Then why don't you still own it? Because they're cheap and nasty, I bet. ;)
     
  4. JoeMal

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    Maybe people aren't buying them? Nobody to complain about them if they aren't being sold
     
  5. Japle

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    Exactly.
     
  6. Rocketmedic

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    I really think that Hi-Point, Kel-Tec, and other 'bargain' companies are going to eclipse the classics (S&W, Ruger, Sig, etc) in terms of quality in the next quarter-century.

    As has been pointed out before, a problematic $1000 pistol is 'picky' or 'fine-tuned' or 'match-grade'. A problematic $200 pistol is 'crap'. A reliable $200 pistol seems to be beyond the comprehension of people who have dropped an extra $1000 to have that really nice piece that cycles reliably.

    For my money, Hi-Point did its job- it got me into shooting handguns recreationally. My next pistol will probably be an XD or a Glock, but that Hi-Point did its job quite well, and it's still on the nightstand until something better comes along (could be a while, with current economics!)

    The Hi-Point on your nightstand beats the crap out of the Kimber in your LGS layaway bin.
     
  7. MrWesson

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    Tastes evolve I couldn't have that C9's ugly rubbing off on my other guns so I traded it for some primers awhile back. In all seriousness I will buy one if a cheapo crosses my path because I need a "glovebox gun". That being said I wont pay more than like $75 for it.

    IMO its both popularity and reliability

    Plenty of POS hipoints out there but behind every POS is a person to defend it(its is/was their pos after all).

    Many dead reliable hipoints out there too.

    People who own them usually dont have much bad to say(warranted or not).

    People who haven't and wouldn't dare own one have plenty to say(warranted or not).
     
  8. Fastcast

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    Mothers usually don't want to admit anything bad about their children either. Regardless of how terrible they truly are.

    Most likely people here at THR are just getting tired of commenting on something of such little relevance. Answering questions for folks who are just looking for approval but then get defensive when they hear the truth, gets tiring I suppose.
     
  9. Jim NE

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    I'd have to agree.

    As to Hi-Point moving up the food chain, I don't know about that. I think there will always be a market for very very inexpensive handguns. What I'm curious about is: where did all the OTHER low end makers go?? 25 years ago, there were probably close to a dozen brands at the very bottom end, now there's only Hi-Point (or are there others?)
     
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    IMO, it may be the economy making people stop bashing Hi-Points. Why spend enough money to buy a used car on a gun when you can get one that's just as reliable as the high-end models(some cases, more), for considerably less money? That is if you can stomach the ugly. I personally wouldn't want a Hi-Point pistol, but I have been eyeing their carbines with great interest. I guess I'm picky about the ugly.

    But seriously, at their price, you can buy two and STILL have enough cash to get gas on the way home.
     
  11. Zerodefect

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    Naw, it's none of that.

    January through April is dedicated to bashing Kimber. May through July we can bash Hipoints again.
     
  12. USAF_Vet

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    I don't that is the case at all. Wandered into Buds Gun and Tackle just to browse, ended up putting down a deposit for a Hi Point JHP .45. Why did I have to put down a deposit? Because they can't keep them in stock. I don't know how many they order at any given time, but usually within days, a week at most, they have all been spoken for. The one .45 they had in stock was a wee bit overpriced for my tastes, and only because it had the laser sight on it, for which I have neither need nor desire.

    Maybe there are reasons there is less bashing, such as:

    A) the haters have bashed their heads against the wall hard enough to knock themselves out for awhile.

    B) The haters have just given up their crusade to rid the world of Hi Points

    C) The haters have realized and admitted that Hi Points, while always ugly as sin and heavy as a boat anchor, are fairly economical and reliable entry level hand guns.


    As a Hi Point owner (something very few Hi Point Haters ever have been) I readily admit their faults while simultaneously sing their praises. I would readily recommend one, but I would represent them for what they are, which is, in my opinion, a butt ugly boat anchor of a gun that lacks hi round capacity (although the JHP.45 holds more than a standard 1911) that has a fantastic warranty. You point, squeeze, and expect the thing to go bang and very rarely get a different result.
     
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    They work, I think people are coming to terms with the reality that they are very much functional pistols, I've even heard them described as pretty accurate by some.

    They are hideous piles of zinc, true, but they do everything a reasonable person would expect of a low-cost service caliber pistol, and they have the best warranty out there, they'll just replace any pistol that breaks if it isn't an easy fix, no questions asked. That earns them a ton of points in my book, they know most of the people buying such an inexpensive gun aren't going to subject them to the kind of use that will result in warranty trips, and the same people are least able to afford to repair or replace a gun if something does go wrong.

    I can't stand to look at them, but they do what they're supposed to and I have a tremendous amount of respect for the company.
     
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    I admit I do have a hi point in 380. It is also a reliable, but too big for a carry gun (comparing size and caliber). I also have two other 380s and all of them are picky about the ammo. My hipoint doesnt like win white box with its flat point but it loves wolf???????
     
  15. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    They are cheap, heavy, bad trigger, and i can afford better. They have their place and its not with me.
     
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    I've never fired a HiPoint pistol, but my opinion is that, while I do not believe people should skimp and 'go cheap' where defensive firearms are concerned, I would much rather see a good citizen be armed with a Hi Point than totally unarmed.
     
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    The haters are still out there, they'll never go away. They're just filling up on their favorite flavor of KoolAid at the moment. Stand by, they'll be around. Several have come by already.
     
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    I wouldn't mind trying a HiPoint 9mm. The company standing behind them 100% is a huge point in their favor.
    HEY! :cuss::fire:
    I drive a Kia, have had three of them, and they've been dadgum good cars!
    So :neener: thbbbbt!!:neener:
     
  19. StrikeFire83

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    HiPoint firearms give poor people the ability to defend themselves and their families with something MUCH BETTER than the Bryco/Jennings garbage that was available at a similar (relative) price point 20 years ago.

    Nothing wrong with that in my book.
     
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    +1 on what StrikeFire said. I actually do have some interest in a HiPoint carbine. Id like to at least try one out.
     
  21. Jed Carter

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    $200 for a Hipoint, how about $150 max, or maybe $250 for a S&W Sigma instead. I work too hard for my paychecks to throw it away on a pistol that shoots, carries and handles as poorly as this. You can build a house with POS tools, but I would rather not. I have shot the Hipoint 9mm, and the owner decided to get another handgun, tried to trade it for a Taurus revolver and the gunshop offered $30 on the Hipoint, good investment, not at all. I realize that many cannot afford much, I have been fortunate. I would get a used pistol or revolver first, if you "need" a gun right now, there are fair pump shot guns in the Hipoint price point, although the 18" shotgun might not weigh quite as much.
     
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    At around $300-325 new (if you shop around on the auction sites), I consider the Ruger P95 9mm to be a superb value in a self defense pistol. I've had one since 1998 and it has been 100% reliable.
     
  23. sarduy

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    i belive the hate is still there.... but it's better to a hipoint than nothing at all. some people can't affort to pay $200-300 for a handgun instead they get a used hp for $80 and a box of ammo for $20 leaving the extra $100-200 to pay for their bills. i have the same respect for a man that owns a hp or a colt-1911.
     
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    Of course the shop offered $30- they sent it back to Hi-Point and sold it for $150 or so. Easiest profit possible.
     
  25. makarovnik

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    The prices have gone up over the years so they must be better than they used to be ;)

    I too am tired of the endless Hi-Point threads.
     
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