Novice Knife Sharpening

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Requesting advice on an effective knife sharpening device that a novice can master. I have tried a couple different methods that vary in effectiveness. Currently using angled sharpening rods (coarse/fine) mounted in a block of wood at the correct angles.

It works on a blade that still has a decent edge, but won't resurrect a dull blade. I dulled my favorite hunting knife last season, and really want to put a nice edge back on it. So far I've failed.:mad:

Thinking of buying this- http://www.gatcosharpeners.com/product/sharp_systems/edgemate_pro_sys.mgi

Any thoughts/ideas/advice?

Thanks
 
I use the DMT diamond stones; coarse and fine, or fine and very fine sides. They are a bit costly, but you can buy the smaller ones too. But they work well for profiling a blade. Many people have problems maintaining a reasonable sharpening agle with stones. I understand completely. Been there.

I am pretty visual about such things. This is what I do if I am really paying attention. Hold blade vertical on stone. Shift to 45 degrees. Half that again or a tad less and you are at a good sharpening angle.

If the fixed blade is pretty good, you might consider sending it someone to do the work and then just maintain the edge from that point on. You probably can get this done for pretty cheap and many do it. Some here on the forum do it.

Many like the Spyderco sharpening system. That is one I have not tried. I do occasionally use the Lansky system. http://newgraham.com/store/product/4551/Lansky-Deluxe-System-LS-4100/ The one you link is very similar to the Lansky sytem.

The ceramic rods are very good and easy to use for touching up an edge. But they are not aggressive enough for serious sharpening where you are taking a fair amount of steel off to repair an edge.

But I always go back to doing it by hand on a stone. I've been very pleased with the DMT stones.
 
Best way, IMO, is to get ahold of some carbon steel Old Hickory paring knife type deals (6.00 or so apiece), dull the heck out of them doing real tasks, and then learn to resurrect them.

The thing with sharpening a lot of steels is, even if you're doing right it takes time to see good results. If you're doing it wrong you can remove all the steel you want, and will have somewhat damaged the knife by the time you realize it's time to see good results.

Good carbon steel takes about 10-20% of the time it takes to sharpen most stainless in my experience, so you can learn what works faster. Then when you are confident, go and sharpen your stainless knives using the same technique (more in a sec on this) and be consistent and patient.

Here is the basic technique I use.

Light, slow, NOT GRINDING HARD or pressing down. Consistent angle is more important than "right angle." I err on the side of "too low." I also like thinner profile knives period because they cut better, hands down.

If you're grinding on the right side (to the right if you were holding the knife vertically, looking at the spine), check periodically, carefully, for a burr on the left side of the knife. To do this, run your thumb perpendicular to the blade, from the direction of the spine, down the bevel at about a 30-45 deg angle. You should eventually feel a consistent little sharp lip or rim forming. Incidentally some people mistake this for an edge.

When you get the burr, flip and grind backward for a few strokes to knock it back a bit, then grind normally until you get a burr on the right side. If you're moving up to a different stone, repeat the process on each side on each stone. If you are leaving it at just one stone, which is fine for most applications, grind or strop the burr off.

Burrs are different on different knives, but they serve as a decent indication that you have done it right on the opposite side of the burr and are ready to flip. One of the main keys to having a good, sharp knife with an edge that lasts is making sure it doesn't have a burr on either side when you're done sharpening. The best way to do this is to just go progressively lighter on each side of the stone, and you can eventually alternate between light single strokes. Another, easier way that works almost as well is just to lightly strop for 20-50 strokes on either side with the nappy side of a leather belt, alternating at the end.

Just remember that different steels take a different sort of burr. The hardest part about sharpening my sodbuster, which burrs after 2-3 light strokes, is getting the burr off. I've had stainless knives that didn't burr after 50 strokes. Sometimes if you sharpen that much and still no burr forms, you can go ahead and flip to the other side. Just be sure that before you are done, you have raised and ground off a burr on either side.
 
Rods and the Spydie Sharpmaker do a very good job on keeping knives sharp, but if you need to remove a lot of metal to set initial edge angles, you will need a more traditional method of honing the knife.

DMT will go a good job of removing a lot of steel quickly. Lansky-type systems will also work.
 
The Gatco system is a copy of the Lansky system and works well, if a little awkward. It will give you a feel for keeping your blade at a consistent angle. Another tool I find useful is a 5or 10 power loupe or magnifying glass so you can see if the angle you are sharpening is the same as factory (or the angle used previously) and to see any burr left on the edge. Currently I only use the Gatco to set the blade angle in a really battered knife and finish the edge with automotive sandpaper on a leather strop.
 
If you have to remove a lot of metal to set the correct edge-angle, mark the part of the steel which you want to remove with a permanent marker, this will help you "eyeball" your progress as you hone the blade.
 
i cut stuff i shouldn't with all my knives in short i use them and with a simple kitchen knife block sharpening "stick" i dunno what their called have always been able to sharpen them up quick
 
See sharpening FAQ stickied at the top of the forum.

The Gatco will work as will the Lansky. The diamond sleeves for the Spyderco will set an edge in a hurry and the stones will take it home.
 
Get yourself a set of these wheels. Mount them on a bench grinder and turn the base so it spins backwards. You have to get rid of the guards to do this. The one wheel has grit and beeswax, the slotted one has polishing compound. The beeswax keeps the blade from overheating. If you see sparks, you need to rewax. It will take a very dull knife to a razor edge in about 2 minutes. Working the blade on the top of the wheel makes you hold the right angle naturally. The cutting edge is held facing away from you. As soon as you see a wire edge, go to the buffing wheel and polish it off. I have used this system for my knives and woodcarving tools for around 20 years and just now am thinking about replacing the wheels. The grit wheel can be reconditioned multiple times. More information can be seen on the Woodcraft web site. I can post a picture of my setup later if anyone is interested. I just have to figure out where I put my camera.
 

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This does it for me, from Smiths and cheap. I finish by stropping with leather. It's small and packs easy, too, and requires no oil. I've tried rocks, ceramic wonder sticks, the whole shibang. I don't have a PhD in knife sharpening, ain't gonna tell you I do. I just know this works WELL for me and is simple and cheap. I use it cause I have better things to do than spend 6 hours with a rock and taking college courses in knife sharpening. :rolleyes:

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Guys;
Thanks for all the comments and advice. It seems there is no silver bullet for this task, but I think the application of the advice here will get me going in the right direction.

HSO: thanks for politely pointing out the obvious to me.
 
I do think some practice is a good thing and using some Old Hickory steak knives to practice is a good thing. You get experience and you have sharp steak knives. Win Win

Stromping is another option to take the edge from very sharp with stones to hair splitting sharp. Knives get so sharp you don't even know you cut yourself until the blood starts flowing. Stromping is not something I'm all that hung up about. Have the stuff but rarely use it.
 
Some people actually carry OH paring knives for utility. You can make your own sheath or purchase one that fits it pretty easily.

I think the main benefit to learning with carbon steel knives is that you know very quickly whether you're doing it right.
 
Never use carbide cutters.

Use diamond sharpeners, they seem lots easier, and if you get decent ones, they are always flat.

Finish with 2000 grit sandpaper, on a piece of glass, and then strop with polishing compound on leather or cardboard.

This is how I got all my knives to cut hanging hair, every time..... after about 4 years of barely shaving, then shaving, then cleany shaving......

Practice lots. on cheap knives. Get better, try random things.
 
A couple of mistakes that took years for me to correct:

Many stones they sell you are way too fine. On a dull knife, start with a large grit.

Keep sharpening until you reach the very edge of the blade. If you are just grinding away metal behind the edge, it will never get sharp.

You have a sharp knife when you get no light reflected off of the apex of the edge. Hold the knife under a lamp, edge facing you: if that light is reflecting back to you from the edge, it is not sharp.
 
Guys;
Once again, thanks for the advice. I purchased a Lansky system yesterday. During my first attempt I managed to put a decent edge on an old dull hunting knife I've had for 21 years. This thing had no edge to begin with. All the comments provided were very helpful.

LGJ
 
During my first attempt I managed to put a decent edge on an old dull hunting knife I've had for 21 years. This thing had no edge to begin with.

Good on you! Now go practice somemore!( Smiling cause I know Sharpening is addictive)
 
I use and love the Lansky system. Sometimes you can get them really cheap.

The best rule of knife sharpening is to keep it sharp. If it gets too dull, it will be harder to bring back to a nice edge.

For the knives that the Lansky won't work on, I have a Norton 4k/8k waterstone that I prefer to use. Given, this means the knives that need this are going to get a few 8k passes a week just to make sure the blade never gets too dull for the 4k side to work on.
 
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