Now, how do we react to this?

[Jedi_7.62]

There is a fine line between courageous and foolish.
This way crosses that line.

If the people who lived in the house had the good sense to move why didn't she.

I regret that a young life was wasted but unless she was somehow imobilised she is now dead because she was stupid.

By the way what does christian have to do with this?

What do you think the last thing was that went through her mind?

tred?

She has my vote for the Darwin award!

 

[fallingblock]

Sad indeed, but not brave, Malone....

Foolish. Only a foolish individual would place themselves under a moving bulldozer in an emotionally-charged situation such as this one. A 'warrior', I believe, would have made some attempt to carry the action to the enemy, not passively become a protoplasm stain on a bulldozer blade. I believe 'self-martyr' is the more appropriate descriptive term for this woman.

As for sentiments, there probably wasn't much "Christian" in the driver or the terrorist's family whose house she was 'protecting', either.

 

[JoeSF]

Here is a story with some eyewiness accounts that suggest it was not an accident.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...16/ap_wo_en_po/me_gen_israel_palestinians_147


here is an excerpt...

American protester killed by Israeli bulldozer; Arafat proposes changes that could dilute prime minister's powers
Sun Mar 16, 3:40 PM ET

By IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writer

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - A bulldozer on Sunday killed an American woman trying to block Israeli troops from demolishing a building during a military operation in the Gaza Strip (news - web sites). At least one Palestinian also died.



The killing — the first of a foreign demonstrator in 29 months of fighting — came as Israelis and Palestinians wrangled over the terms of a U.S.-backed plan to end the violence and establish a Palestinian state.


Rachel Corrie, 23, a college student from Olympia, Washington, was trying to stop a demolition in the Rafah refugee camp. She died in the hospital, said Dr. Ali Moussa, a hospital administrator.


"This is a regrettable accident," said Capt. Jacob Dallal, an army spokesman. "We are dealing with a group of protesters who were acting very irresponsibly, putting everyone in danger."


The army said soldiers were looking for explosives and tunnels used to smuggle weapons.


Greg Schnabel, 28, of Chicago, said four Americans and four Britons were trying to stop Israeli troops from demolishing a building belonging to Dr. Samir Masri.


"Rachel was alone in front of the house as we were trying to get them to stop," Schnabel said. "She waved for the bulldozer to stop. She fell down and the bulldozer kept going. It had completely run over her and then it reversed and ran back over her," he said.


Several Palestinians gathered at the site, and troops opened fire, killing on Palestinians, witnesses said. The army had no comment on the incident.


Corrie was the first member of the Palestinian-backed "International Solidarity Movement" to be killed in the conflict that has claimed more than 2,200 Palestinian lives — about three times the toll on the Israeli side. Corrie was wearing a brightly colored jacket when the bulldozer hit her. She would have graduated this year from Evergreen State College in Olympia, Schnabel said.

 

[guitar7272]

For some reason I cant help but be reminded of the steam roller scene in the first Austin Powers movie...

Playing chicken with a bulldozer... stupidity runs rampant in those lefties.

Another vote for the Darwin Award.

And I dont know if she went to a palestinian or israeli hospital, but judging by the doctors name it was the former. Any chance they might have "accelerated" her passing in an attempt to sway public opinion?

 

[synoptic]

As the bulldozer lifted a pile of earth, it moved forward and captured Corrie under its blade, Dale said.

It had completely run over her and then it reversed and ran back over her,"

I may be wrong here (it is fairly late and I am quite tired) but does it seem that these two "eyewitness" accounts seem to say different things? Either way, accident or purpose, she should not have been there in the first place. i am sorry it happened, but it is her own fault...

 

[Aikibiker]

I sincerely hope that the brave and noble victim of this terrible incident... didn't breed before she died.

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

The ignorance here is monumental. When committing this kind of act of civil disobedience, there is always the risk that the target of your action will be a murderer. Then the consequences are that you might die. That's the risk that the protestor takes. That's why I called her a warrior.

It's no different than the protestors in the South during the civil rights movement being attacked by dogs. I suppose a lot of you brilliant wits would have nominated Medgar Evers for a Darwin award? Or maybe MLK? The goal is to appeal to conscience and show the world the kind of brutality you are up against.

I have less respect for this group every day. (I appreciate the few exceptions out there... you know who you are.)

 

[MitchSchaft]

It's her cause that warrants the Darwin, Malone.

 

[guitar7272]

I never saw MLK shouting "I have a dream" with a multi-ton implement of destruction bearing down on him Malone. There are better ways of showing your beliefs than martyrdom.

 

[Thumper]

The ignorance here is monumental. When committing this kind of act of civil disobedience, there is always the risk that the target of your action will be a murderer. Then the consequences are that you might die. That's the risk that the protestor takes. That's why I called her a warrior

If she truly believed she was at risk, Malone, you'd be right. But she didn't and you're not.

If we (and our allies in Isreal) were as immoral as you pretend, there'd be a lot fewer protestors.

Why did our human shields not wanna hang around Baghdad? 'Cause they knew we didn't REALLY bomb hospitals.

Soon as Saddam said no hospitals, the "shields" said adios.

 

[Bob Locke]

Malone,

Speaking only for myself, I don't think she was "stupid", per se, but that she took a course of action of her own free will that had potentially drastic consequences. It so happens that she found out just how drastic.

Whether a person believes her cause was just or not is likely going to lead to the conclusion that she was either "brave" or "stupid".

As has been said before, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It's all about perspective.

I sort of equate it to how I feel about Ted Kennedy. I hate the things he stands for, but I do give him a nod of admiration for being up front about them. Sort of the same way I feel about this young lady. I think she made a bad decision, but she was willing to see it through to its ultimate ending.

 

[Navy joe]

FWIW with respect to this current conflict I would feel much the same if an American born Jewish settler got blown up. I don't care, they were standing in the way of any chance of a lasting solution. The radicals on both sides ignore two facts. One, the zionists and palistenians are both in effect carpetbaggers. Neither has a greater claim to the "homeland" Two, there will have to be compromise in the form of separate states.

Yassir Arafat should have been shot long ago, the only thing that has kept him alive is how to do it without making him what he ain't, a hero. All Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza should be razed. Jerusaleum will have to be open to all given the nature of its history. Perhaps an independent city-state.

As far as this dumb she died defending terrorists. That ought to insruct others of her ilk. Bombing a bus full of civilians is terrorism no matter how effective it may be at achieving your group's goals. She stood in front of a bulldozer rooting out supporters of these acts.

Then I find it particularly galling that I read through here and a member wants to get all whiny because were not as liberal, or passionate or whatever we're supposed to be as he is. If you disagree, post what you think, not a bunch of whiny crud about how terrible everyone else is.

 

[seeker_two]

Ya rolls the dice, ya take ya chances...

If you're trying to stop a bulldozer, standing in front of it usually doesn't work. There are much softer spots inside the machine...

 

[cratz2]

I'd be willing to bet these snivling peace people get hurt more often than we hear about. You go to another country that is in a war or a war-like situation and you put yourself effectively in the front line. You're gonna get hurt. I'm sure she didn't think her life was going to end like that as she hopped the plane in Olympia but she made a bad decsion.

Feel sorry for her family but not for her.

 

[Abe]

I salute a brave young woman who died like a warrior, fighting for justice as she saw it.

I am so tired of these moral equivalency arguments. There is no "justice as she saw it" there's just Justice. Plain and Simple. I understand that in the CandyLand world in which she and most others like her live "All you need is love." The trouble is that doesn't work in the real world. People do bad\stupid things every day and pay the consequences.

Don't equate her with a warrior. It's offensive to those who are. We have about 250,000 warriors in place right now. Some won't come home. Don't call this person a warrior. She was a goofy little busy body that should have stayed home. It's not brave to stand in front of a bulldozer, it's stupid. She made a bad choice and she paid the ultimate price for her bad choice.

Finally, there's nothing un-Christian about calling wrong wrong (or in this case stupid stupid.) If we'd do that on a few other subjects (un-related to guns) in our society we wouldn't be in the mess we are in.

- Abe

 

[faustulus]

Malone,
I agree the woman was brave, however so were the men at Gettysburg during Picketts Charge, brave, but foolish. The two are not mutually exclusive. She did have the guts to put herself in a dangerous situation and I hope she realized this before she went there.
I am saddened by her death, but can't help but feel she could have done more good in other ways. Israel isn't the South, there is no federal government to appeal to and even if there were, the israelis are not looking for approval and don't really care what other contries think of them.
I do wonder what in Israel's history made her think they would blink twice before running her over.
Yes she was brave, but ultimatly it is sad because it is a wasted life.

 

[stevelyn]

Airwolf; Ditto

The gene pool could stand more chlorine.

 

[ZekeLuvs1911]

Stupid is as stupid does. Malone, courage and foolishness is exclusive.

 

[pax]

This is gun related?

I don't think so.

pax

What drives people crazy is trying to live outside reality. Reality is terrible. It can kill you. Given time, it certainly will kill you. The reality is pain ... But it's the lies, the evasions of reality, that drive you crazy. – Ursula K. LeGuin