NRA Lawsuit against Washington State

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Now that I have thought about the whole thing some more and try to place myself in your shoes. I find it terrifying to think I would not be able to keep my wife and kids as safe as I could with a gun in the house. A baseball bat just doesn't do it huh?
 
actually there are other things that permanent resident aliens cannot do, or require extensive (redundant) background checks to do...

Some that I've encountered are, get anywhere near anything related to defense; I had to get background checks to get into Cape Canaveral (NASA) for work, to work on systems that were not classified,but considered sensitive, and I had to be fingerprinted and undergo background checks just to be able to get training to be a private pilot. I understand the reasons and live with it. At least there are (now) processes I can go through for most of what I want to do.

With all due respect to anyone who believes permanent resident aliens shouldn't be able to own a gun, I would say that every PRA has already been heavily screened, medically tested and fingerprinted before earning the right to live here, something that the average joe down the street has never had to undergo. Because of this, and the fact that we could be shipped back to where we came from in a heartbeat if we ever did anything wrong, PRA's are a pretty safe bet. I believe I've been required to be fingerprinted at least 4 times since I moved here in '98.
 
Ok, as I mentioned yesterday, went to King County Sheriffs Dept (156th 3rd Ave and James St.) today to apply for my AFL

No Issues whatsoever, the person seemed a little confused at first, accepted my LPR card, and Drivers license as ID, no questions, paid the fee, had my prints taken. Over in about 20 minutes all told.

So should be good in about 30 days.
 
Looks they took some sort of action on the bill: HB 1052

Jan 29 Executive action taken in the House Committee on Judiciary at 10:00 AM.
JUDI - Executive action TAKEN by committee.

What does it mean?
 
you can see the actual session at www.tvw.org search for judiciary

looks like there were some proposed ammendments

fee change - surprise, it's going down from 55 - 50
LE immunity from decision - no surprise
looks like AFL could be still/back in place???
allows DOL to make one standard form
legalese about defining "sporting events"
removes emergency clause - no surprise here

try this link for the video

http://www.tvw.org/media/mediaplayer.cfm?evid=2009010173&TYPE=V&CFID=2069692&CFTOKEN=87926217

1052 stuff starts at 1:19:24
 
Round 1 done round 2 "ding ding"

Looks like the only change detrimental to our cause is the removal of the emergency clause , so when is round 2 ?
 
Response posted in Activism thread, but just in case.. I'll put it here to:

MD said:
HOUSE INTERNET E-MAIL DELIVERY SERVICE

TO: Representative Jim Moeller

FROM: Mr. MD Willington(Non-Constituent)
SUBJECT: HB 1052-2009

MESSAGE:

Hello:

I see that the emergency clause is to be removed from HB1052-2009.

What affect if any will this have on the the RCW pertaining to green
card holders being removed from the RCW?

I was under the impression that if the emergency clause was left in the
bill, as soon as the bill was signed into law, that all of us green card
holders living in WA State would immediately be exempt, as in 49 the
other States, from the discriminatory Alien Firearms License law.


Now that the emergency clause is to be removed, how soon would the RCW
have to be re-written?

Thank you for your time.

MD Willington



NOTE: We could not determine that this constituent is in your district

RESPONSE REQUESTED: Mr. Willington has requested a response to this
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JM said:
Hi Matt:
Thanks for your email. The removal of the emergency clause has no effect
on legal alien residence exemption from the requirement of a Alien
Firearm Permit. It merely means you will need to wait 90 days after the
governor signs the bill for it to become law.

Sincerely,

Jim

Rep. Jim Moeller
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Alright everyone, the Judiciary passed 1052-2009

They changed a bit of the verbiage, but the bill still gets off LPRs off the hook in regards to obtaining a license.

We need to contact the Rules Committee members and get them on board too.

I don't have a list of emails available, I can probably get the phone numbers.
 
I'll post the list I generated of the Rules Committee members, when I grab it from work.

Strangely the Rules committee does not post its membership. You can find the members of the rules committee if you list the house members, and search for Rules however (which is what I did), if you can't wait for me to post the link.
 
Rules Committee Members

Mike Armstrong
Barbara Bailey
Frank Chopp
Richard DeBolt
Deborah Eddy
Mark Ericks
Tami Green
Bob Hasegawa
Zachary Hudgins
Norm Johnson
Troy Kelley
Lynn Kessler
Joel Kretz
Dan Kristiansen
Marko Liias
Jim Moeller
Dawn Morrell
Jeff Morris
Daniel Newhouse
sharon Tomiko Santos
Joe Schmick
Larry Springer
Kevin Van de Wege
Judy Warnick
 
Here some thoughts :

Quote:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States"

LPRs are not born or naturalized in the US, once we become a citizens then we'd be "Naturalized". The argument below bridges the gaps created by the 14th amendment wording when it uses the words "Citizens & naturalized"

The Civil Rights Act of 1866, 42 U.S.C. 1981(a), provides in part:"All persons within the jurisdiction of the United states shall have the same right in every State...to the full and equal benefit of all laws and proceedings for the security of a person and property as is enjoyed by white citizens..."

Lawfully admitted resident aliens are "persons" within the meaning of 42 U.S.C 1981(a).

PS: I extracted this from the NRA, SAF formal complaint.
 
Go look at the Activism thread, right on the thread is the civics exam for LPRs, look at questions 50 then 51, 51 directly applies to LPRs, but only those outside WA State currently...

Because we're special in WA state.. {/barf.. LOL
 
I am very concerned about the discrimination of legal permanent residents and their right to protect themselves and their families in the State of Washington. I believe this is a violation of the Constitution of the United States of America. This is an eviceration of the second amendment of the Constitution. This is exactly what the framers that drafted the second amendment tried to prevent.There is no question on my mind that there is a obvious level of collusion here. I am afraid that is Washington politics at the worst.
 
Went today 02/03/09 to the Redmond Police Dept. got fingerprinted and everything went smoothly. The lady that fingerprinted me was a bit confused whether it was an AFL or CPL and even told me, with the AFL. I do not need the CPL, I asked her to doublecheck since they are both different pieces of paper. I think she meant, if I ever apply for a CPL, may not need to be fingerprinted again.

So, has anyone recieved a post lawsuit AFL?

How long does it take?
 
Per the RCW 30 days

(b) Before issuing an alien firearm license under subsection (1) of this section or this subsection (2), the director of licensing shall ask the local law enforcement agency of the jurisdiction in which the alien resides to complete a background and fingerprint check to determine the alien's eligibility under RCW 9.41.040 to own, possess, or control a firearm. The law enforcement agency shall complete a background check within thirty days after the request, unless the alien does not have a valid Washington driver's license or Washington state identification card. In the latter case, the law enforcement agency shall complete the background check within sixty days after the request.
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