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Sounds more like Preparation H... anal ordinance.
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Sounds more like Preparation H... anal ordinance.
Jim March
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At the national level this could actually work to our advantage. It'll help smear the Dems with the "radical grabber" label.
atek3
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i'll be suprised if it passes. I think san franciscans are less crazy now than a generation ago... maybe i'm drawing on too small of a sample set.
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KriegHund
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Cripes- i didnt think even..no especially, politicians could be so bold about an outright BAN on guns.
Theyve worked behind the scenes for so many yeasr they think they can come out and say it, eh?
I dont understand why we arent either A) hanging these people or B) Exiling them to an island, for such blatant ingonorance of our rights.
Theyve worked behind the scenes for so many yeasr they think they can come out and say it, eh?
I dont understand why we arent either A) hanging these people or B) Exiling them to an island, for such blatant ingonorance of our rights.
bjbarron
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They don't see that as a smear...gun grabbing is a main plank in their platform of horror.
No, I think it is better to resist each and every attempt to limit gun rights...whether that attempt be national or local. We're on the offensive with CCW rights and have been winning for 15 years. No reason to stop now.
Standing Wolf
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I hope you're right; even if I were a wagering man, however, I wouldn't bet on it.
thorn726
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we got a bunch of girls gettign ready to pass out flyers at some big street festivals and elsewhere.
this one girl came up with a truly awesome quote =
of course i think the final version may be revised some-
"hey I am a flaming liberal schoolteacher and a gun owner, who lives alone in Hunter's Point. I resent that a bunch of rich white people who live in secure apartment buildings like Gavin Newsom get to have a gun and I get to live in fear because I won't be able to defend myself if someone breaks into my apartment. "
this one girl came up with a truly awesome quote =
of course i think the final version may be revised some-
"hey I am a flaming liberal schoolteacher and a gun owner, who lives alone in Hunter's Point. I resent that a bunch of rich white people who live in secure apartment buildings like Gavin Newsom get to have a gun and I get to live in fear because I won't be able to defend myself if someone breaks into my apartment. "
Zundfolge
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Proposition H? In San Francisco?
My GOD where is Jay Leno when we need him?
My GOD where is Jay Leno when we need him?
MountainPeak
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The "UGLY' little secret is, the law abiding people in S.F. and Oakland have LOTS of guns. They have been beaten into submission. They dare not admit it. Even to friends.
Kjervin
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I hope this fails. I would not see the residents of even 1 county sacrificed for political gain. It saddens me that they would even try this. I will be doubly sad if they succeed. I am rooting for you guys in San Fran, I hope you can stand up to them.
kj
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Don't Tread On Me
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SanFran = lost cause.
NRA shouldn't waste a penny there.
Instead, we will gain a west coast example of the failure of gun control (D.C. is our Eastern example).
NRA shouldn't waste a penny there.
Instead, we will gain a west coast example of the failure of gun control (D.C. is our Eastern example).
KriegHund
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We cannot afford many examples.
Carl N. Brown
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DC East Coast example; SF West Coast example
Chicago is the Midwest example.
Mayor Daley's great accomplishment is to ban handguns for the
law abiding.
U. of Chicago Criminologist Frank Zimring admitted years ago that
gun control that disarmed the law abiding and left criminals armed
could have the net result of raising the crime rate.
Chicago by disarming the law abiding and leaving criminals armed
suffers a really bad crime rate.
Mayor Daley's answer is to sue the gun industry for selling guns
where they are still legal.
When local option prohibition fails, that just proves we need a
national prohibition law to make it work? Of all places, Chicago
should know how that did not work with alcohol.
D.C. and Chicago are bad enuff. We don't need to let S.F. go down.
Chicago is the Midwest example.
Mayor Daley's great accomplishment is to ban handguns for the
law abiding.
U. of Chicago Criminologist Frank Zimring admitted years ago that
gun control that disarmed the law abiding and left criminals armed
could have the net result of raising the crime rate.
Chicago by disarming the law abiding and leaving criminals armed
suffers a really bad crime rate.
Mayor Daley's answer is to sue the gun industry for selling guns
where they are still legal.
When local option prohibition fails, that just proves we need a
national prohibition law to make it work? Of all places, Chicago
should know how that did not work with alcohol.
D.C. and Chicago are bad enuff. We don't need to let S.F. go down.
Ain't that the truth, for those of us that live out here. It's easier to admit your a closet male lesbian than it is to admit your a gun owner.
But here is something that happened just an hour ago. I work in a top tier law firm in the Silicon Valley. One of the young hottie lawyers just was talking to her co-worker how she had fun this weekend skeet shooting. And last week another co-worker of mine was talking about how she was trying to choose between a Glock or HK USP. At the old firm I worked at the named partner had a hunting room that displayed over $500,000 worth of firearms. He was a big time Safari hunter.
Times are changing in Cali. We are even starting to see pro 2nd amendment articles written in the local newpapers.
Now if the damn politicians would get their heads out of their rectums and see the change.
I'd like to think all the damn stupid gun laws are finally starting to have an effect. People here don't like them and are starting to speak up. This state would be fantastic without all the damn tree huggers politics.
But I think with the population ageing and the 60s and 70s flower childs are finally getting off of the pot and slowly seeing the picture. Especially in light of seeing what happened in NO.
Basura Blanca
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For those that keep chiming in with the "lost cause" mantra, I excerpted the following to illustrate a point:
Basura Blanca
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More from the stopsanfranban.com site:
Local preemption is -or should be, imo- the pivotal point regarding this initiative.
Issue aside (forget the guns for a second), realize that this proposition could set a precedent that would have extremely far reaching effects in the Golden State.
If a locality is allowed to impose a law that contradicts the state constitution, the damage potential is quite possibly limitless.
This has been the angle I've been using to garner opposition to prop. H from those outside of the "gun nut" community. For me, it's an approach that many that would otherwise be unfriendly to the cause will at least listen to and understand.
Forget the crime stats., the RKBA rants, etc. -that stuff doesn't go very far. If you want people to listen, then the issue is the harmful nature of local preemption of state laws.
JMO.
Local preemption is -or should be, imo- the pivotal point regarding this initiative.
Issue aside (forget the guns for a second), realize that this proposition could set a precedent that would have extremely far reaching effects in the Golden State.
If a locality is allowed to impose a law that contradicts the state constitution, the damage potential is quite possibly limitless.
This has been the angle I've been using to garner opposition to prop. H from those outside of the "gun nut" community. For me, it's an approach that many that would otherwise be unfriendly to the cause will at least listen to and understand.
Forget the crime stats., the RKBA rants, etc. -that stuff doesn't go very far. If you want people to listen, then the issue is the harmful nature of local preemption of state laws.
JMO.
odysseus
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Lar-15
This is obvious debate "bait", but basically to simply answer - that is simply wrong. You must not have ever traveled around the state. Despite what the media may make it seem, San Francisco does not represent the people of Cali. SF and some cities like Berkeley are bastions for leftists, but the state outside of those areas is largely centrist - if not traditionally conservative - and are home to tens upon tens of thousands of gun owners. However Californians are voting badly (if voting at all) and gerrymandering Democrats have "won" the show.
I think State Senators like Tom McClintock might argue your assumption to you.
So what is it you were saying again?
This is obvious debate "bait", but basically to simply answer - that is simply wrong. You must not have ever traveled around the state. Despite what the media may make it seem, San Francisco does not represent the people of Cali. SF and some cities like Berkeley are bastions for leftists, but the state outside of those areas is largely centrist - if not traditionally conservative - and are home to tens upon tens of thousands of gun owners. However Californians are voting badly (if voting at all) and gerrymandering Democrats have "won" the show.
I think State Senators like Tom McClintock might argue your assumption to you.
So what is it you were saying again?
Amusetec
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odysseus Lar-15
Ok Then how come CA always pass these stupid leftest law. Becuse most of the people of CA are Leftest. Or most of the people are lazy which is it?
either way CA IS LOST AND THEY ARE BRINGING IT EAST.
Talk ot AZ or NV residents they will tell you quick that leftest CA is bring it with them they screwed up CA so bad that they have to leave CA and go to Las Vegas and screw it up by bringing there silly laws with them THey think if they do the same thing there it will cause a different outcome.( I lived I LV NV 5 years ago for awhile 5 years ago they where going to come out with a new lic. plate but they would still make the old blue one for people that still have them becuse that pretty much tells you who is a Native NV and not people who are old time NV they hate CA people. They are alot like Texans they will let you know quick that they are native and there parents are native.
I hear that AZ is about the same way now.
So I guess we all need to worry about what happens there becuse WHAT HAPPENS IN CA DOES NOT STAY IN CA.
Even here in Houston we watch what is going on there becuse eventualy it will come here to always does.
And here is a Question
How does being default on a student loan make you untrustworthy to have a CHL?
Ok Then how come CA always pass these stupid leftest law. Becuse most of the people of CA are Leftest. Or most of the people are lazy which is it?
either way CA IS LOST AND THEY ARE BRINGING IT EAST.
Talk ot AZ or NV residents they will tell you quick that leftest CA is bring it with them they screwed up CA so bad that they have to leave CA and go to Las Vegas and screw it up by bringing there silly laws with them THey think if they do the same thing there it will cause a different outcome.( I lived I LV NV 5 years ago for awhile 5 years ago they where going to come out with a new lic. plate but they would still make the old blue one for people that still have them becuse that pretty much tells you who is a Native NV and not people who are old time NV they hate CA people. They are alot like Texans they will let you know quick that they are native and there parents are native.
I hear that AZ is about the same way now.
So I guess we all need to worry about what happens there becuse WHAT HAPPENS IN CA DOES NOT STAY IN CA.
Even here in Houston we watch what is going on there becuse eventualy it will come here to always does.
And here is a Question
How does being default on a student loan make you untrustworthy to have a CHL?
odysseus
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Amusetec - I actually agree with a lot of what you say (I have seen it in AZ) except for the all is "lost" parts; but let's not also forget this thread is about a very controversial law trying to pass in the CITY of San Fran - not the State of Cali. I think what lar-15 said is a generalization that is not accurate.
I doubt it will pass. However it is damn close, it is an outrage, and it is another grandstanding move by the leftist there to socialize people and oppress their human rights to defend themselves.
I doubt it will pass. However it is damn close, it is an outrage, and it is another grandstanding move by the leftist there to socialize people and oppress their human rights to defend themselves.
Pietro Beretta
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So if you "give up" here, then you leave the rest of the nation to be screwd up.
Everyone of my "friends" owns a firearm of some sort thats about 16 people I really know . Out of those people I only can think of 2 who voted last election, (including me). I really dont think the 18-25 generations cares about voting, why I dont know but that freakin mentailty needs to change.
You got all the lefties voting, because they crazy left wing Democrats, they want their leftie laws passed.
Everyone else doesnt vote because, oh the last time I voted it didnt matter, who cares this time we cant change anything.-This type of mentality needs to change. Theirs too much weed still in this state, everyones freakin lazy
bigun15
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Here's what I think, for what it's worth.
1)Don't put all Californians in one category. There is such a thing as a non-liberal/leftist/whatever Californian.
2)If you give up here, the anti's will move somewhere else and work until you give up there too, and keep doing it.
3)I doubt it will be passed. New legislation, voting, whatever it all has one thing in common:It is the EXACT opposite of what the Constitution, the supreme law of the land, says.
1)Don't put all Californians in one category. There is such a thing as a non-liberal/leftist/whatever Californian.
2)If you give up here, the anti's will move somewhere else and work until you give up there too, and keep doing it.
3)I doubt it will be passed. New legislation, voting, whatever it all has one thing in common:It is the EXACT opposite of what the Constitution, the supreme law of the land, says.
Amusetec
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Pietro Beretta-
I agree with you that most people are lazy when it comes to voting, it is rampant here in Houston. Everyone complains about how bad the schools are but less than 8% vote in the election. why do you think most School Dist. hold bond and board elections at off times they only whant the admins teachers and there like to vote and pass there agenda then the other 92% compalin and moan about the sorry schools. Same on the Local election.
When I hear someone complaining about politics my first question is did you vote if they say no I tell them they have no right to complain becuse you are part of the problem.
Term Limits- easy do away with the congressional pension and lower the pay
lobbiest ineffective- easy 90% voter turn out and always tell rep your views. If 60% of voters tell a rep if you vote for this bill I will vote you out, and if a lobbiest comes in and says I will give you money for your campaing if you vote for this bill, which side do you think he is going to take? If he votes for it he loses election but has a nice campaing donation but if he votes against it he gets reelected to me it is a no brainer.
For it to work everyone needs to vote (early and often) and be active in government.
Yea I know I do not have time I am too busy ok then do not complain about what you get. This is a rep. Republic so you better get your Rep. In office or you are screwed.
Wil Rogers said " Be thankful you do not get all the gov. you pay for." Well Wil we do now! :banghead:
SEE WHAT I MEAN
I agree with you that most people are lazy when it comes to voting, it is rampant here in Houston. Everyone complains about how bad the schools are but less than 8% vote in the election. why do you think most School Dist. hold bond and board elections at off times they only whant the admins teachers and there like to vote and pass there agenda then the other 92% compalin and moan about the sorry schools. Same on the Local election.
When I hear someone complaining about politics my first question is did you vote if they say no I tell them they have no right to complain becuse you are part of the problem.
Term Limits- easy do away with the congressional pension and lower the pay
lobbiest ineffective- easy 90% voter turn out and always tell rep your views. If 60% of voters tell a rep if you vote for this bill I will vote you out, and if a lobbiest comes in and says I will give you money for your campaing if you vote for this bill, which side do you think he is going to take? If he votes for it he loses election but has a nice campaing donation but if he votes against it he gets reelected to me it is a no brainer.
For it to work everyone needs to vote (early and often) and be active in government.
Yea I know I do not have time I am too busy ok then do not complain about what you get. This is a rep. Republic so you better get your Rep. In office or you are screwed.
Wil Rogers said " Be thankful you do not get all the gov. you pay for." Well Wil we do now! :banghead:
SEE WHAT I MEAN
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