achadwick
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Another vote FOR the NRA. After you join, get involved!
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NRA: Yay or Nay
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RTFM
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Um, with "qualified" council like this guy I'll still abstain from joining.
(never have and probably never will)
Link to transcript: http://keepandbeararms.com/Silveira/Halbrook.asp
Sounds to me that all your membership money is being put to real good use.
RTFM
(never have and probably never will)
Link to transcript: http://keepandbeararms.com/Silveira/Halbrook.asp
"YOUR HONOR, WE ARE HERE WANTING TO REGISTER HANDGUNS."
—National Rifle Association Attorney Stephen Halbrook, fighting a "Second Amendment" case
"WE ARE NOT HERE WANTING UNRESTRICTED ACCESS."
—National Rifle Association Attorney Stephen Halbrook, fighting a "Second Amendment" case
"WE'RE NOT HERE ASKING TO CARRY THEM, OTHER THAN IN THE HOME."
—National Rifle Association Attorney Stephen Halbrook, fighting a "Second Amendment" case
"YES, YOUR HONOR. YES, YOUR HONOR."
—National Rifle Association Attorney Stephen Halbrook, when asked "if the government can impose reasonable restrictions", while fighting a "Second Amendment" lawsuit
THE COURT: WOULD YOU HAVE TO, ON THE MERITS, ESTABLISH EMPIRICALLY THAT THE ABILITY TO POSSESS A GUN DOES, IN FACT, ENHANCE YOUR ABILITY TO PROTECT YOURSELF?
MR. HALBROOK: NO. I DON'T THINK WE DO HAVE TO DO THAT EMPIRICALLY BECAUSE THE CONSTITUTION HAS ALREADY SET THE VALUE THAT YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO KEEP ARMS. THERE IS NO MORE FUNDAMENTAL WAY TO KEEP ARMS THAN IN THE HOME, AND ARMS ARE CONSIDERED -- NORMAL COMMON ARMS ARE RIFLES, PISTOLS AND SHOTGUNS. AND THAT'S A HISTORICAL TEST AND A TEST THAT IS, I THINK, PRETTY UNIVERSAL THROUGHOUT THE VARIOUS STATES BECAUSE MOST STATES ALSO HAVE RIGHT-TO-BEAR-ARMS GUARANTEES. IT'S NOT AN EMPIRICAL ISSUE. IT'S NOT AN ISSUE ABOUT WHETHER D. C. --
THE COURT: THE GOVERNMENT CAN PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS.
MR. HALBROOK: YOUR HONOR, WE ARE HERE WANTING TO REGISTER HANDGUNS. WE ARE NOT HERE WANTING UNRESTRICTED ACCESS. WE'RE NOT HERE ASKING TO CARRY THEM, OTHER THAN IN THE HOME.
THE COURT: YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN IMPOSE REASONABLE RESTRICTIONS?
MR. HALBROOK: YES, YOUR HONOR. YES, YOUR HONOR.
Sounds to me that all your membership money is being put to real good use.
RTFM
harpethriver
Member
The response to this should be emotional-after all we are essentially here for a singular issue. If we are passionate and dedicated then we as individuals obviously have a strong opinion. That being said-is it too much to ask that we back these opinions with real, verifiable facts? Granted we are idealistic when it comes to our guns/rights, however we should be able to back our opinion with some fact. If you are going to tell me the NRA is "bad", then tell me why and prove it. The NRA is not perfect, after all it's made up of humans. Consider these two scenarios: Without the lobbying efforts of the NRA to counter Hillary and the Brady bunch Missouri doesn't have CCW. Without the NRA getting out the vote Al Gore is Prez-and If "W" is the lesser of 2 evils I'll take him over Al any day. Let's temper our idealism with some realism-the NRA does so much more good than bad-and until a more effective advocate for our gun rights comes along-I'm going to remain in the NRA.
FPrice
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DJ E.
Yes.
Too many people out there want to blame the NRA for the problems that we as gun owners face. Yet, if it were not for the NRA then most likely we would not have any of the freedoms we still enjoy. I notice a few people quoting Stephen Halbrook from the recent Washington case without understanding what is going on and what we are fighting for.
Despite what some people may feel and shout out, we did not lose our freedoms in one single act nor are we going to regain them that way. They were chipped away a small part at a time and that is the only way we are going to get them back.
YES! JOIN THE NRA!
Then, insure that you join your state organization and get involved in what they do.
Then, join a local club or organization and do the same
Whatever you do, don't sit back and throw out whishy-washy questions, whining like some people do, "Should I join the NRA or not. I don't know what to do.".
Join. Get involved. The NRA is NOT some nameless, faceless organization you cower behind. The NRA is made up of individuals like you, and unless we get enough people to join and be active and work to regain our rights it ain't gonna happen.
I apologize if I came across kinda strong, but sometimes that is what is needed to get people to move and act.
Now it's up to you.
Choose wisely.
Yes.
Too many people out there want to blame the NRA for the problems that we as gun owners face. Yet, if it were not for the NRA then most likely we would not have any of the freedoms we still enjoy. I notice a few people quoting Stephen Halbrook from the recent Washington case without understanding what is going on and what we are fighting for.
Despite what some people may feel and shout out, we did not lose our freedoms in one single act nor are we going to regain them that way. They were chipped away a small part at a time and that is the only way we are going to get them back.
YES! JOIN THE NRA!
Then, insure that you join your state organization and get involved in what they do.
Then, join a local club or organization and do the same
Whatever you do, don't sit back and throw out whishy-washy questions, whining like some people do, "Should I join the NRA or not. I don't know what to do.".
Join. Get involved. The NRA is NOT some nameless, faceless organization you cower behind. The NRA is made up of individuals like you, and unless we get enough people to join and be active and work to regain our rights it ain't gonna happen.
I apologize if I came across kinda strong, but sometimes that is what is needed to get people to move and act.
Now it's up to you.
Choose wisely.
Smoke
Member
Join every Pro-gun group you can.
Contribute to the PAC's of the ones you feel represent your interests best.
SMoke
Contribute to the PAC's of the ones you feel represent your interests best.
SMoke
Bartholomew Roberts
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RTFM -
I can appreciate that not everybody likes Halbrook's legal approach in that case; but I think you are being less than fair with your selection of quotes.
Washington D.C. implemented gun registration some time ago and then in 1976, declined to accept any new registrations (effectively making all new gun ownership in D.C. illegal).
Halbrook is not arguing that we should register handguns, he is asking the court to open the registry back up so that people can legally own handguns in the D.C. area.
This topic has been covered in depth in the following links:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45229&highlight=Halbrook
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44814&highlight=Halbrook
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44556&highlight=Halbrook
A member is here asking whether or not he should join the NRA, do you think you are making a good argument or providing useful information when it is necessary to quote out of context in order to make your point?
I can appreciate that not everybody likes Halbrook's legal approach in that case; but I think you are being less than fair with your selection of quotes.
Washington D.C. implemented gun registration some time ago and then in 1976, declined to accept any new registrations (effectively making all new gun ownership in D.C. illegal).
Halbrook is not arguing that we should register handguns, he is asking the court to open the registry back up so that people can legally own handguns in the D.C. area.
This topic has been covered in depth in the following links:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45229&highlight=Halbrook
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44814&highlight=Halbrook
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44556&highlight=Halbrook
A member is here asking whether or not he should join the NRA, do you think you are making a good argument or providing useful information when it is necessary to quote out of context in order to make your point?
ReadyontheRight
Member
Join the NRA, GOA and JPFO. All work in different ways to maintain our rights.
TheOtherOne
Member
Knowing that, I now understand the quotes. You can't expect a place like DC to suddenly do an about face have VT style CCW. After reading articles like this one, I'm going to stay away from KABA for now. Selective quotes, isn't that a typical brady bunch tactic? Sometimes it seems like KABA is more interested in taking down the NRA than helping our gun rights.I can appreciate that not everybody likes Halbrook's legal approach in that case; but I think you are being less than fair with your selection of quotes.
Washington D.C. implemented gun registration some time ago and then in 1976, declined to accept any new registrations (effectively making all new gun ownership in D.C. illegal).
Halbrook is not arguing that we should register handguns, he is asking the court to open the registry back up so that people can legally own handguns in the D.C. area.
RTFM
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Bartholomew Roberts, thanks for the links, the middle link helps me the most.
What FPrice received from Mr. Halbrook and his description on picking apart the law make perfect sense to me now.
I honestly had the understanding that it was a broad stroke for all firearms registration, not opening it back up for just the folks in D.C.
Everybody, this is why I love this site so much. We keep each informed, and when a correction is needed, it's offered with no malice.
I'm glad to be apart of this work in progress.
RTFM
What FPrice received from Mr. Halbrook and his description on picking apart the law make perfect sense to me now.
I honestly had the understanding that it was a broad stroke for all firearms registration, not opening it back up for just the folks in D.C.
Everybody, this is why I love this site so much. We keep each informed, and when a correction is needed, it's offered with no malice.
I'm glad to be apart of this work in progress.
RTFM
Partisan Ranger
Member
I agree that the NRA is far from perfect and the board is full of get-along types, but read on the gun issue in NYT and other mainstream media for a month. They hate the NRA and resent their power. They always portray the NRA as this huge, monstrously powerful organization (not mentioning that they derive their power from 4 million members who contribute 20-30 bucks a pop).
If the statist presstitutes fear the NRA, I think I'll keep the NRA as a friend. My membership is current.
If the statist presstitutes fear the NRA, I think I'll keep the NRA as a friend. My membership is current.
45+
Member
Quote:
Join every Pro-gun group you can.
Contribute to the PAC's of the ones you feel represent your interests best.
SMoke
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I help fund three and I am going to investigate some of the others. What if we all joined them all?
Safe packin...
Join every Pro-gun group you can.
Contribute to the PAC's of the ones you feel represent your interests best.
SMoke
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I help fund three and I am going to investigate some of the others. What if we all joined them all?
Safe packin...
FPrice
Member
RTFM...
"What FPrice received from Mr. Halbrook and his description on picking apart the law make perfect sense to me now."
Thank you for the mention. To be honest, before I contacted Mr. Halbrook I was a bit confused also. But his willingness to email me and explain what was going on impressed me as did his line of reasoning.
We all need to work on this issue in whatever way we can. And in fairness to those who bring up instances in which the NRA does make a mistake, we need to let the NRA leadership know what we want.
"What FPrice received from Mr. Halbrook and his description on picking apart the law make perfect sense to me now."
Thank you for the mention. To be honest, before I contacted Mr. Halbrook I was a bit confused also. But his willingness to email me and explain what was going on impressed me as did his line of reasoning.
We all need to work on this issue in whatever way we can. And in fairness to those who bring up instances in which the NRA does make a mistake, we need to let the NRA leadership know what we want.
iamkris
Member
If we do not hang together, surely we will all hang separately...
MoNsTeR
Member
Nay.
Organizations that exclusively support Republican candidates don't get my money.
Organizations that exclusively support Republican candidates don't get my money.
The Reaper
Member
Monster
So all those Democrats the NRA endorsed in VA really weren't Democrats at all? BTW all were running against a republican.
May want to look again, in VA the NRA has consistantly endorsed pro-rkba Democrats.
Organizations that exclusively support Republican candidates don't get my money.
So all those Democrats the NRA endorsed in VA really weren't Democrats at all? BTW all were running against a republican.
May want to look again, in VA the NRA has consistantly endorsed pro-rkba Democrats.
keyhole
Member
Yea.
Gotta stay with the largest, and most imposing.
Help out the other also.
Gotta stay with the largest, and most imposing.
Help out the other also.
2nd Amendment
member
Organizations that exclusively support Republican candidates don't get my money.
I wish they only supported Republicans. Can't have it all though and thus Yea, I'll keep supporting the NRA simply because they are the loudest cohesive voice.
I wish they only supported Republicans. Can't have it all though and thus Yea, I'll keep supporting the NRA simply because they are the loudest cohesive voice.
WvaBill
Member
Without the NRA, we may be talking about our Federal FOID. IMHO, the NRA was on of the key factors that WV voted against Gore. WV did vot against a Democrat before. It was 1972.
Bartholomew Roberts
Member
Organizations that exclusively support Republican candidates don't get my money.
According to Open Secrets
In 2000, the NRA PAC gave $238,600 to Democrat candidates, GOA gave $5,000 and other pro-RKBA PACs gave $1,500 (15% of all pro-gun PAC money to Dems).
NRA gave $6,950 (<1%) to third party candidates (something no other RKBA PAC, including GOA, did) and the rest went to Republicans.
Gun control PACs gave $374,614 to the Dems (97%)
In 2002, the NRA PAC gave $148,150 to Dem candidates (11% of all pro-gun PAC money to Dems).
NRA PAC gave $2,298 to third party candidates. The only pro-RKBA PAC to do so.
Gun control PACs gave $118,356 total to Dem candidates (101% - they pulled a Republican donation they had given previously)
In 2004, the NRA PAC has donated $43,300 to support Democrat candidates (15% of all pro-gun PAC money to Dems). The remainder has gone to Republicans.
Gun control PACs have donated $1,000 to Dem candidates.
Seems to me like the NRA supports more non-Republican parties than any other RKBA group out there.
Highland Ranger
Member
best hope we have
Yay . . . . wish they were more active in NJ
Yay . . . . wish they were more active in NJ
Ala Dan
Member in memoriam
Definitely YAY!
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, Life Member N.R.A.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, Life Member N.R.A.
straightShot
Member
Frosty:
Good to know that you're still around!
I still believe that the NRA reflects what I believe in. I also believe that if we had 20 million members, we could concentrate on shooting and not have to pay attention to politics.
Good shooting,
straightShot
another proud TFL alumnus, NRA instructor, and NRA recruiter
Good to know that you're still around!
I still believe that the NRA reflects what I believe in. I also believe that if we had 20 million members, we could concentrate on shooting and not have to pay attention to politics.
Good shooting,
straightShot
another proud TFL alumnus, NRA instructor, and NRA recruiter
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