NY "loophole"

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I just confirmed Alucard's experiment. I was also able to go outside and pick up a sharp stick. I then proceeded to pick up a dozen more sticks, a pocketful of acorns, and a pretty piece of glass from the gutter. Imagine if someone were to put these out on the black market. The street value of this deadly arsenal has to be close to 37 pesos....

Of course, if I were to plant the acorns, I could turn my backyard into a clandestine stick production facility.

Seriously, this whole situation stinks.
 
Ummmm.... Did he have two rifles, or did she just sit around and wait while he reloaded?

Thats exactly what I was thinking... if she cant get her sidearm out of her holster and return fire in the time it takes to reload a muzzleloader, she has no business being a cop. Thats just pathetic.
 
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Ummmm.... Did he have two rifles, or did she just sit around and wait while he reloaded?
Thats exactly what I was thinking... if she cant get her sidearm out of her holster and return fire in the time it takes to reload a muzzleloader, she has no business being a cop. Thats just pathetic.

"This one hit my vest and it mushroomed, it was the first shot. The second shot just hit a little higher," she said.
A 50 Cal black Powder bullet (if that's what the guy fired out of his rifle) weighs at least 300 gr. Some weigh much more. That's a big, big bullet.

It is very possible that even though the shot didn't penetrate the vest it knocked the officer to the ground and stunned her enough that the guy had time to reload.
 
I decided to check into the troopers story a little more because I am curious as to how she was shot twice. I am guessing either a BP revolver, or perhaps a BP shotgun or double rifle. In any case, the man she killed seems to be a total POS, sex offender, and generally scummy sort so I am sure the world won't be any poorer for his passing. That being said, I did find an interesting article regarding how Trooper Reif was cleared of any wrongdoing by a grand jury...

CANTON, N.Y. (AP) _ A grand jury has cleared a state trooper of any wrongdoing in the shooting death of a 45-year-old man who wounded her as she was investigating a domestic dispute, according to state police.

Trooper Amanda Reif, 29, of Canton, was shot in the shoulder June 18 by Steven McUmber as she walked up to the house where he was staying. Backup units arrived and police ordered McUmber to get down on the ground as he emerged from the house. But when he got up "in an aggressive state" and ran toward the troopers, the wounded Reif shot and killed him. Reif, a five-year veteran, had just recently returned from maternity leave.

State Police Superintendent Preston Felton said shortly after the shooting that Reif shot McUmber as he ran toward the other officers and a state police internal investigation found the death a "justifiable homicide." But witness accounts differed, which prompted the review by a St. Lawrence County grand jury.

Capt. David Chauvin, state police zone commander, applauded their scrutiny.

"I think it's a good idea. You do have a homicide," he said. "It's better for people to review that to see if it was done properly or not done properly. They need to hear witnesses to decide for themselves whether she did the right thing."

Chauvin never doubted the grand jury would exonerate Reif.

"From what I have seen in the case, I thought that everyone would see it the way I would," he said.

Denise Barstow said the family was relieved the grand jury decided not to indict her daughter.

"As a mother, my feeling is she did the right thing."

Reif has had to return to the hospital half a dozen times for treatment of her wounds and it may be six months before she can return to duty, said her grandfather, Robert Barstow.

This is not a cop bashing thread, and I don't want it to go that way. That being said, I find it interesting that the man is shot and killed by the same trooper he had wounded moments earlier, and not by any of the other troopers who had arrived at the scene.:confused:

The man she shot was a "Level 3" sex offended with recent convictions and a record that goes back to the 80s. Why is this guy even out on the street at all? :eek:

I agree that the most serious "loophole" here is in the criminal justice system that let this guy out. :banghead:
 
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That being said, I find it interesting that the man is shot and killer by the same trooper he had wounded moments earlier, and not by any of the other troopers who had arrived at the scene.

You're right, that is interesting. Very unusual that the other officers just stood around and did nothing.
 
I decided to check into the troopers story a little more because I am curious as to how she was shot twice. I am guessing either a BP revolver, or perhaps a BP shotgun or double rifle.

If you watch the video on the website, when they cut back to the anchors at the desk, one of them asks how he was able to shoot her twice with a single shot weapon. The other anchor responds that he had evidently loaded two balls into the gun at once.

Not being a BP guy, I have no idea of that's possible or not.
 
yes, you can. "Buck and ball" used to be a common loading consisting of 4 small diameter shot on top of a single large ball.
 
The media, of course being the golden standard of truth they are makes it near impossible to tell what actually happened. "shot twice by blackpowder rifle" could mean a BP revolver, double barrel shotgun loaded with balls, heck, it might have even been a winchester 30-30 (not likely, would have probably been called an "assault weapon"). It is possible although unlikely 2 balls were loaded in a rifle, "Ye olde double tap" I think they call it.:D

never underestimate the confident ignorance of the media to report on anything that goes boom, amongst other things.
 
Unless it is a double barrel,you can't load two balls into a black powder rifle. Not unless you want a kaboom. A single barrel shotgun, could have two balls loaded, but they would both come out with the first shot.
 
No "loophole" for BP revolvers in NYS, though. IIRC, a BP handgun possessed with powder and ball IS considered a "firearm" under NYS firearms law, and is subject to all the same regulations as modern powder firearms. Thus, to own a BP revolver in NYS requires same to be listed on one's pistol permit. Which is why Cabela's and all the other online suppliers won't ship BP handguns into NYS. One could, of course, buy one out of state and transport it back into NY, but it would be against the law to do so.
 
Actually took the first part of my Handgun Safety Course last night and the topic of a cap and ball revolver came up. This was the rundown from the range officer.

You can go into a store, buy a cap and ball pistol and own it, but the moment you own the powder, ball and percussion caps, regardless of where, they are or how many, once you own those components it must be ammended and added to your NYS pistol License. Failure to do so is the possession of an illegal and un-registered handgun.
 
CA is a bastion of common sense compared to NJ/NY

Cabelas will ship BP guns to San Francisco, I know it is hard to believe, but NYC media is worse than CA!
 
Can you just imagine the infamous video clip this way?

"Yo! I'm da only one here profesh'nal enuff to be usin' a Old Army"
 
Theres no friggin Loophole, In NY you can have a black powder pistol with no "papers" but if you want either powder, primer, patch, or ball you have to get a permit.

God I dont miss that place :D
 
Those sheeple would wet themselves if they knew that you can buy .44 caliber percussion revolvers and conversion cylinders that let you shoot .45 Colt "cowboy loads" out of them and have them delivered directly to your front door (in most states).

ECS
 
Unless it is a double barrel,you can't load two balls into a black powder rifle. Not unless you want a kaboom. A single barrel shotgun, could have two balls loaded, but they would both come out with the first shot.

Yeah, the double barreled BP rifles are less common, but not unheard of. If he had a side-by or over and under, two shots would be easy. I'm surprised someone hasn't mentioned this sooner.

I've killed a few deer with 50 cal, and would NOT want to be hit by one at close range. Those 300 gr bullets are devastating.
 
And yet, there's no talk of dealing with these "dangerous felons" they've got walking around their streets. That's a pretty f*cking big loophole allowed for such dangerous people: have good behavior, and you can get paroled after a year of your 20 years required (nevermind that's incredibly lax sentencing for such a horrendous crime as rape or murder, but apparently pretty commonplace).

And why is this a problem? Because of sentencing loopholes in the state of NY! If they had sensible death penalty sentencing for violent offenders (call it a "restriction"), these people would not be able to harm others again. Problem solved, permanently - and 'regulating' a known-problem with a will of their own is going to be much more effective than regulating an inanimate object.

I wonder if it occurred to them that a dangerous person is a dangerous person, whether their weapon is a hand grenade, full-auto rifle, black powder pistol, lead pipe, a broken beer bottle, or simply their hands. Rapists don't use guns to rape, they use their dicks (though having watched more hours of L&O than I can count, there are other ways to perform that dirty task, too ).

+1

I can't emphasize enough with anti's that its the BEHAVIOR that is the problem, not the object, idiots!:banghead:
 
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