NY new-gun database has yet to lead to prosecution

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New York's 7-year-old database of handgun "fingerprints" has yet to lead to a criminal prosecution, and questions linger about its effectiveness. Still, state police remain committed to the database, saying more time and a long-awaited link to a federal ballistics database could bring success.

Since March 2001, identifying information about more than 200,000 new pistols and revolvers sold in New York have been entered into the Combined Ballistic Identification System database maintained by state police. New York and Maryland are the only two states that maintain statewide databases.

New guns are test fired, and the minute markings the guns make on the shell casings are recorded and entered into the digital database.

Proponents say the markings are as unique as fingerprints and can be compared against shell casings found at crime scenes. The results as of August: 209,239 casings entered into New York's database, 7,124 inquiries and two hits.

Both hits were several years ago and involve separate crimes in Rochester a drive-by shooting that resulted in an injury and an incident involving shots fired and neither resulted in a prosecution, according to state and Rochester city police.

Gun advocates, who have opposed the database from the get-go as unworkable, claim the lack of results is evidence of the system's failure. They contend that a gun's "fingerprints" can be changed easily by taking a file to the breech face. Tom King, president of the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, said the state would be better served by spending the money for the database which police say costs about $1 million a year on more police.

"We don't have to be throwing millions of dollars into a program that doesn't work," he said.

State police disagree.

Spokesman Sgt. Kern Swoboda noted that the typical time between the legal purchase of a gun and the time it's used in crimes is seven to 10 years. That would mean that the first guns logged in 2001 are just now becoming more likely to be used in crimes, and that matches could start coming in the next several years.

Police also have been trying for years to address limitations of the statewide database, but the only other state with a similar database is Maryland. State police there and Gov. Martin O'Malley's office did not return calls seeking comment on the status of their state's database.

The federal government keeps its own ballistics database called the National Integrated Ballistic Information Network. The national database is different from New York's database in that it collects information on guns used in crimes, as opposed to new guns. But it is technically possible to compare entries in the two databases.

For years, New York officials have been trying to secure an agreement with federal officials to link to the national database, but it has proven difficult because that database may contain only ballistic information from crime guns. They are working on a one-way system that would keep New York's data out of the national database but allow New York to make inquiries into the federal database's information.

Drew Wade of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said one-way transfers could occur around November. State police Lt. Mark Heller of the agency's forensic lab said the link would help the New York database reach its "true potential."

The federal database has been credited with nearly 25,000 hits, many of them yielding investigative information. Still, questions have been raised about ballistics imaging.

A committee impaneled by the National Research Council reported in March that a national version of a new-gun database should not be created. While the researchers said imaging is helpful for generating leads, they said the current technology for comparing toolmarks is limited. They added that the fundamental assumption that every gun leaves a unique mark has not been scientifically demonstrated.

The matches in the New York database are a "first step" in investigations, Swoboda said.

Interestingly, the same researchers who were lukewarm to tool-mark forensics said they saw promise in "microstamping," a newer technique in which guns are specifically built to leave unique marks on ammunition.

California has already passed a law requiring semiautomatic handguns sold in the state starting in 2010 to "microstamp" each bullet cartridge in two locations whenever it is fired.

A similar bill was introduced in the New York Legislature but has not been approved.

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Since March 2001, identifying information about more than 200,000 new pistols and revolvers sold in New York have been entered into the Combined Ballistic Identification System database maintained by state police. New York and Maryland are the only two states that maintain statewide databases
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Connecticut processes shell casings into a forensic computer as well.
This applies to all new handgun purchases in the state.
I will double check this tomorrow to ensure its correctness.
The man who informed me appeared very knowledgeable.

I call it a waste of my dealers time, just another envelope that they have to mail to the State DPS. There was an article I read somewhere, perhaps I can dig it up. It stated that the person who performed this job of working with the shell casings and the computers earns about $72,000 yearly in Connecticut. Not bad for bankers hours.
 
identifying information about more than 200,000 new pistols and revolvers sold in New York have been entered into the Combined Ballistic Identification System database maintained by state police

Proponents say the markings are as unique as fingerprints and can be compared against shell casings found at crime scenes.

Not wanting to disappoint the powers that be, but are shell casings often left at the scene by revolvers? Are a lot of bad guys reloading at the scene?

(Just pointing out the ridiculously obvious, not that it ever worked on an anti-gunner.) :rolleyes:

Spokesman Sgt. Kern Swoboda noted that the typical time between the legal purchase of a gun and the time it's used in crimes is seven to 10 years. That would mean that the first guns logged in 2001 are just now becoming more likely to be used in crimes, and that matches could start coming in the next several years.

Just as a side comment, they're willing to invest millions in something as asinine as this that they think might be useful in "seven to 10 years" but drilling for new oil offshore that will get to market in seven to 10 years is a waste of time. Gotta love that "logic".
 
Spokesman Sgt. Kern Swoboda noted that the typical time between the legal purchase of a gun and the time it's used in crimes is seven to 10 years.

And, of course, it's still in the possession of the same person who orig purchased it, and there hasn't been any work done on it that would alter that "fingerprint".

And if it takes 10 -years-, what the hell is that three -day- waiting period thing for 'cept to piss people off?
 
as another (northern) NY resident, I am also shocked and appalled at the horrible results of this stupid idea



oh wait no it was a stupid idea and pretty much everyone knew it wouldn't work
 
I'm not really that surprised. Politicians in NY are really good at wasting money. Democrats and their "feel good laws".....
 
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