NY Senate Pick Is Pro-Gun

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It should be interesting to see how this nomination proceeds...and please don't turn this into a flame thread - I'm just passing along the info.
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ALBANY, New York – Gov. David Paterson has picked Democratic U.S. Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand to fill New York's vacant U.S. Senate seat, an aide to the governor said early Friday, a day after Caroline Kennedy abruptly withdrew from consideration.

Gillibrand (JIL'-uh-brand), a second-term lawmaker from upstate New York, will be named to fill the seat vacated when Hillary Rodham Clinton resigned to become secretary of state in the Obama administration, the aide said, speaking on condition of anonymity because an announcement hadn't been made. Paterson was expected to announce his pick at noon on Friday.

Gillibrand's office didn't immediately return a call seeking comment.

She was considered one of the top contenders in Paterson's selection process, along with Kennedy and state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo.

Paterson's appointment lasts until 2010, when a special election will be held to fill the final two years of Clinton's term.

Kennedy, the daughter of the late President John F. Kennedy, called the governor around midday Wednesday and told him she was having second thoughts about the job, according to a person close to Paterson, who said she later decided to remain in contention, only to announce her withdrawal early Thursday in an e-mail.

U.S. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, who wasn't among the 10 to 20 people Paterson said applied for the Senate appointment, immediately criticized the expected pick. McCarthy, whose husband was killed by a gunman on the Long Island Railroad, said Gillibrand's support of more conservative issues such as gun ownership rights was out of step with most New York Democrats.

"I just think it's a very, very poor choice," McCarthy told News12 TV on Long Island on Friday. "It sends out a very very bad message. I can see the NRA sending out their campaign literature saying, `Hey raise money, we have to get an NRA member into the Senate from New York.'"

But Gillibrand is a proven vote-getter in a largely rural eastern New York district that sprawls from the mid-Hudson Valley to north of Albany. She defeated a long-term Republican incumbent in 2006 and won re-election last year by a wide margin.

"Gender plus geography equals Gillibrand," said Doug Muzzio, a political science professor at Baruch College. He said her upstate base would help Paterson's 2010 ticket, which otherwise would be dominated by New York City residents like himself.

"On the minus side, she's an unproven statewide vote-getter, a conservative `Blue Dog' Democrat who could face a primary challenge in 2010 and face a tough general election," Muzzio said. "Also, her congressional seat, the 20th, is a mostly Republican district that she first won in 2006 after a long Republican monopoly."

Those weaknesses, the appearance of being a second choice after Kennedy, and the wrath of more senior Democrats who were overlooked provide a good chance for a primary challenge in 2010 — a situation Paterson has sought to avoid. He said he wants his choice to be good enough to hold the seat for a decade or more.

Paterson's unusual move, as head of the state party and governor, to summon New York's Washington delegation to Albany for a closed-door meeting Friday morning appears to be a way to garner support among those he didn't choose.

Gillibrand, 42, becomes the only woman on a ticket that will include Paterson, Cuomo, Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli and senior U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer.

The pick came after a week in which Kennedy surprisingly withdrew from consideration and Paterson revealed he was considering Cuomo, who had refused to publicly express his interest. In the end, Paterson chose the up-and-comer over more established names.

But Paterson has said the first task of a new U.S. senator should be bringing more aid in the federal stimulus package back to New York. It's uncertain that Gillibrand has the background or pull to do that.

She voted last year against the $700 billion Wall Street bailout bill.

This consideration, as the state faces a historic fiscal crisis, was considered a strength for Kennedy, who is close to President Barack Obama and may have been owed a favor for her early endorsement of him; and Cuomo, who has ties and experience in Washington as President Bill Clinton's former housing secretary.

Gillibrand was an official in the Housing and Urban Development Department during the Clinton administration. She worked as a lawyer before challenging Republican John Sweeney in 2006 to represent New York's 20th District. Her upset win came after a police report showing that Sweeney's wife had called 911 in what appeared to be a domestic violence incident was leaked shortly before the election.

In November, Gillibrand defeated wealthy General Electric heir Sandy Treadwell. The former state Republican chairman was seen as one of the Republican Party's best chances to capture a congressional seat in New York.

Gillibrand graduated from Dartmouth College in 1988 and earned a law degree at UCLA in 1991. She is the daughter of Albany lobbyist Douglas Rutnik.

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Associated Press writers Devlin Barrett and David Espo contributed to this report from Washington
 
As a conservitive, gun owning NY State Republican, I plan on changing my party affiliation just to help stop Carolyn McCarthy in the primary election. Its also going to cost me some serious money in the primary fundraising.

Any help you can give will be a big +1 for gun rights.

If you live in NY, please register as a Democrat (you can and should, still vote Republican) for the primary in 2 years.

If you don't live in NY, just send us your money!;)

PS --- Thank GOD we didn't get Kennedy!
 
Its a step in the right direction, I just hope she won't get hammered to hard by the media. She was one of the few that voted against the 700 billion bail out. At the very least she's not afraid to think for herself and that for me gets big points.
 
what's also interesting is that there have been rumors that she was the person Hillary had picked out to replace her if she had won the presidency.

Anyway, I hope this is gun related, and non-political enough, to stay in this forum.
 
Please write Gov. Paterson to thank him for his choice.
I did already, it takes only a few minutes.

http://161.11.121.121/govemail

we should also start saving up money to contribute to her campaign in
2010. We have to make it so that she's not just a flash in the pan esp. if McCarthy runs in the primary.
I too will change my affiliation to D if it helps her in the primary
 
I think its important to realize that although she may not be 100% super gun friendly if she is better than who she replaced (Clinton) its good for us.

I know many on this board would love to see 100 Senators with the views of Ron Paul but thats not going to happen so we need to celebrate small victories so we dont get ourselves down.

However if she changes her views now that she is in the senate then we can feel free to toss her under the bus.
 
The media could definitely hit her on specific 2A positions in an effort to force her into their corner.
Hopefully she doesn't feel compelled to come out and explain what gun control measures she is for just because the leftists pressure her to.

I'm not speaking politically, rather, I'm talking about the 2A and RKBA.:eek:
 
AP said:
McCarthy, 65, vowed to challenge Gillibrand herself in next year's primary or find a younger candidate to do so.
"I will certainly raise my voice and run if no one comes forward," McCarthy said in a telephone interview Friday. "Believe me, this is a personal issue for me. I don't think someone with a 100 percent NRA rating should be the next senator from New York."

Since McCarthy is vowing to run in order to get Gillibrand out of office, this is the part where the NY RKBA contingent mobilizes in order to prevent her from winning. You guys have work to do.
 
The plan is to draw her into an expensive primary run for the senate in 2010 and try to oust her from her current House seat by raising enough money against her that she'll either lose on the money race or she'll be so poor she could not mount a good campaign for either race.
 
Mr zero morals Paterson didn't choose her because she's slightly pro gun. He did it because he's WEAK. He's weak and spineless just like Bla-goy-avich. Blago allowed himself to be controlled by political correctness and picked a leftist black man ONLY because a leftist black man had previously occupied the seat. Well, spineless paterson just did exactly the same thing. Just as Blago was RACIST in his pick, Paterson only picked her because she happens to have a uterus. Thankfully she's the one of the few semi pro gun female politicians in NY. We lucked out big time (but we'll see won't we).

Her being mildly pro gun is an accidental benefit for us. I thank God for it but I'm not going to imagine that Paterson gives a spit about the 2nd amendment OR balancing New York's senatorial representation to even slightly reflect the majority of the state who DOESN'T live in police state NYC.

Anyone who mccarthy doesn't want MUST be a halfway good choice.

hnk45acp said:
The plan is to draw her into an expensive primary run for the senate in 2010 and try to oust her from her current House seat by raising enough money against her that she'll either lose on the money race or she'll be so poor she could not mount a good campaign for either race.

I think you're spot on there.
 
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The plan is to draw her into an expensive primary run for the senate in 2010 and try to oust her from her current House seat by raising enough money against her that she'll either lose on the money race or she'll be so poor she could not mount a good campaign for either race.

Those sorts of things tend to piss off the average voter, though.

Voters tend not to like to feel like their votes are being bought, and the history of post-WW II politics is littered with losing candidates whose gameplan was based purely on money tactics.

Also, McCarthy has already completely galvanized Gillibrand's more conservative supporters by saying that. You don't need a Democratic majority to win in New York. If you can get most of the Republicans and the non-moonbat Democrats, you're good to go.

And I think Paterson is far more aware of that than people like McCarthy. Furthermore, I think this pick shows that the Democrats (Paterson did NOT do this all by himself) are keenly aware that, if they are identified solely with the Nancy Pelosi moonbat wing, 2010 will be a bloodbath. I see this as a very good sign that the Democrats, behind the scenes, are very concerned about lurching too far left. And they're smart fo be worried. I don't think that their people in DC can help themselves, usually, but at least the smart people behind the political facade have some awareness that a victory doesn't mean that the opposition just curled up and died.
 
Unfortunately NY politics is a money game, look at Bloomberg, a Democrat turned republican turned independent. If he wasn't a billionaire there's no way he would have gotten 2 terms and the ability to run for a third despite term limits.

The average voter in NY is well aware of money politics and has obviously ignored that facet by electing Bloomberg twice

Money buys access in NY.
I can't go up to Albany and walk into her office and talk to her and even if I did it would just be lil ole me but if I call up her office and tell them I'd like to put together a little meet and greet fundraiser for the Senator, She'd come down here in a heartbeat.
She'd meet with a large group of pro2A voters and pick up some campaign cash and we'd be able to lobby for our cause.
 
Here's a news story where Carolyn shows what a nasty, bitter, evil woman she herself is http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/longisland/ny-pocaro236009107jan23,0,5071719.story

Sen. Charles Schumer, who like McCarthy is a strong proponent of gun control, asked the Mineola Democrat to refrain from protesting Gillibrand's selection, McCarthy said. "He said, 'Why don't you give her a chance?'" McCarthy said. "I said, 'I've talked to her on the floor, I'm sorry, I can't.'"
Carolyn just admitted that she herself is unfit to represent people in congress with an attitude like that.

What we got here is a good old fashioned cat fight brewing.
"...and if he does pick her and if no one goes and primaries her, I will primary her," McCarthy said. "I will do that. I'm not going to give up on this."
Reer. Nice to see that Carolyn is not a one note symphony or anything :rolleyes:

The more Carolyn says crap like that, the more credibility she looses so I hope she keeps it up. Her myopic hatred of guns plus her her inability to be civil is nothing short of a full blown mental illness.
 
You mean like the most recent Presidential election?

Nah.

Obama played exactly one overt money game: turning back on his pledge to take tax money instead of donations, when donations turned out to be more money.

Tactically, though, his campaign wasn't about something like starving the opposition.

McCain sucked as a candidate, and he would have lost to damn near anyone when the bank crisis happened. Until that day, he and Obama were running neck and neck, despite Obama's extra money, better speaking ability, and cult-like following.

I didn't say that having more money is a handicap. Being perceived as the guy who has a lot of money to spend and plans to use it specifically to starve out his opponent and "buy the election" doesn't work well. That wasn't how Obama was perceived.

WRT Bloomberg, he's a big fish in a small pond. He will never make it past his New York city. He fantasizes about being President, but when he has even hinted at it, he's laughed out of the room, metaphorically.
 
She has a history of supporting gun rights and is backed by the NRA. But will she hold up when the Democrat leaders come around, lean on her desk, and TELL her she needs to support the new AWB?
 
But will she hold up when the Democrat leaders come around, lean on her desk, and TELL her she needs to support the new AWB?

That would depend on a few things.

Chief among them is where the Democrats stand in public opinion if and when it comes up. If people are getting sick of the Democrats, it's a good time for someone like her to say, "I will stand up to my own party if I need to."

There's certainly a time when a politician's only hope is to try to stand apart from their party on something.

See, the AWB isn't exactly a top Democrat priority (i.e. groups like public employee unions didn't pay for that, they paid for some serious cash in their pockets). Smart Democrats see it as a quagmire, at best.
 
This is awesome. Unfortunately (but it isn't THAT big a deal all-in-all) she said in her press conference "Hunting rights have ALWAYS been a big issue to me."

I don't know whether these "hunting rights=2A" people are that dumb, or whether it's an appeasement strategy.

The McCarthy thing cracks me up though. McCarthy said today, I kid you not, "This is an emotional issue for me. I think that's why lots of politicians don't understand it...it's not political, it's emotional."
 
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