O/U for a Defensive Shotgun

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I have a Miroku-produced, Charles Daly-labelled 12 ga. O/U that may make a good defensive shotgun from what I have read. I have only used it for sheet/trap shooting.

My question is whether this shotgun would tolerate 00 buckshot loads. I would like to pattern it at several distances and I suspect that a lot of ammo would be required. I assume slugs would be out of the question.

Thanks for any input. Bill
 
Your fine shotgun will handle buck and possibly slugs. It depends on the chokes and which loads you try.

I wouldn't use sabots in it because it's a smoothbore. Chances are one barrel will shoot one make of slug close enough to POA to work. Try the bottom barrel first with slugs.

Use 2 3/4" loads only.

HTH....
 
I agree with Goblin on that point. The barrels of any O/U shotgun tend to be 26-28", while the average HD shotgun barrel is 18-20".

If it's all you've got and you don't want it gunsmithed down do a more compact size, figure out how to work with its limitations.
 
Another slight drawback to an O/U is that it has to be opened a bit wider than a SxS to extract that bottom shell. With practice it becomes automatic, but it could be a factor in a critical reload under high-stress conditions.
 
Goblin and Redd.....

An 18" barreled 870 has about the same OAL as a 26" barrelled double of either persuasion.

My far from petite Beretta O/U with 32" barrels and 15" LOP is less in OAL than Number 6, with 30" barrels and same LOP.
 
DM-

Not really. A Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 with the 18" barrel is going to be about 36" long, while a 26" barreled O/U is about 43".
 
Clint Smith gave lessons on how to best use a single shot shotgun in an effective manner, so it's not like it can't be done, just difficult when under stress unless you practice.

If I were gonna go with a double barreled shotgun though, I'd go with a side by side configuration.
 
Reddbecca said:
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Not really. A Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 with the 18" barrel is going to be about 36" long, while a 26" barreled O/U is about 43".

So the receiver and stock are going to be about 18" long on a pump gun and 17" on a double? Assuming the stocks are the same length, how is the receiver of a pump going to only be 1" longer than a double?
 
Kinda sounds like trying to make a square peg fit in a round hole. Not to say a firearm that is made for competition will never do well in HD (think ipsc open gun), but I'd rather not gamble on how many shells I'm going to need or how fast I can reload while defending my home. 2 is a pretty low number.
 
I just measured both an 870 with an 18" barrel and an Ruger Red Label with 26" barrels. The 870 was just over 39" and the Red Label was just under 43". It would call less than a 4" difference "about the same OAL" in my book.
 
I'd rather not gamble on how many shells I'm going to need or how fast I can reload while defending my home. 2 is a pretty low number.
While I don't disagree, 2 is a better number than 1 or 0. I posted on another thread about using a 32" trap gun as an impromptu HD gun when I spent a night at a motel in a bad part of town while attending a shoot. It might not have been my first choice but I slept better than I would have had I not had it with me.
 
It might not have been my first choice but I slept better than I would have had I not had it with me
You're right, use what you have if it's the only thing available, but from my understanding the OP was trying to decide if an OU was good or good enough for HD, or if he should get something different.
 
O/U for defense?
Why not? They are proven in doing so.
*yep*

One has to know how to run the gun they have - Clint Smith

Before THE Great Equipment Race, folks defended themselves with whatever firearms they had.
This is how Mentors & Elders passed forward, and this how we did our "lessons" before 3 Gun come to be.

These lessons were based on real life situations that had happened. Not just in the USA, abroad as well.

A O/U with 28" barrel will be ~ 2" shorter than a 870 with a 28" barrel , due to the fact, the O/U receiver is shorter.

Now you take someone that shoots a O/U a lot, be they a Skeet, Trap, Sporting Clay, Columbaire, Live Pigeon shooter, or just a real avid bird hunter, and that O/U is like a body part to them.

Clay shooters shoot hi round counts, some have higher round counts than others.
It is not uncommon for a competitor to shoot 30,000 rds a year. Nor is it uncommon for them to do 100 dry fire drill every day, and practice 500 rds a week.

Yes, one can get a 34" barrel up faster, and fell a target faster than a shorter barrel gun.
Comp guns might weigh 8 to 9 pounds. Skeet Targets are ~ 4" in diameter, and fly about 55 mph.

Int'l targets fly faster, and one cannot pre mount the gun to shoulder.
Sporting Clays, does not allow one to pre mount the gun either, and targets fly fast, and one has to get on them, before they get behind trees, and out of range.

O/Us are reliable, and one big reason they are used for serious competitions.

1. Firebombs are being tossed onto porches, roofs and onto parked cars.
O/U, in low light, felled those fire bombs before they could reach the intended targets.

2. Late 60's sedans were big, and heavy. Escaped inmate stole a car, and it was not know for sure, if he had taken a hostage.
Kidnapping is a felony for the jurisdiction this happened in.

Retired Cop, was listening to his CB and Scanner, and grabbed the closest gun, his Skeet O/U and headed down his property , to the two lane blacktop.
This old car, had "gotten past" a road block.

Pitch Dark, and here comes that car around the curve pouring it on.
"Boom!" and that 12 ga slug hit that front end, the next shot, was going for the windshield, but the inmate decided to stop!
Had trouble getting stopped, the ditch helped.

Go stand at station 8, and face the low house. That 4" clay is coming out at 55 mph.
This old cop, had felled that bird thousands of time, with that O/U.
He was not looking at the gun, or any sights, he was focused on the target, in this case a serious threat.


This retired cop, had felled a lot of birds with his O/U as well, and he had two shells in weak hand fingers ready to reload, that night, just as hedid out bird hunting.

-Gun fit
-Knew the gun, he did have not have to look at the gun to keep it running.
-Hi round count , he knew how to run the gun he had.

Remington 3200 was the shotgun, since some will want to know.


The Great Equipment Race is an abomination to responsible firearm ownership.

-me
 
Thanks for all the input and to sm...

for a true history illustration to boot. My O/U is 43" overall counting a recoil pad, 26" barrels, top is +- and bottom is ++. Not sure what those mean exactly as to choke. Glad to know I can pattern the girl with buckshot loads.

What a great forum. Regards, Bill
 
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