Obama Targets No-Fliers for Handgun Restrictions

[Confederate]

The Obama administration wants to make it a matter of policy (not legislation) to keep all persons on the "No-Fly List" from purchasing a handgun. That means if you end up, for any reason, on the No-Fly List, you can kiss your right to buy handguns goodbye. Oh, and if you make your political opinions too well known, you can end up on this list. You also can't appeal your status to a federal judge.

Rahm Emanuel has already begun floating this dangerous policy change as the administration begins to target political conservatives and returning veterans.

As Emanuel said, being on the list is enough to "cancel" your Second Amendment rights. "If you are on that no-fly list, you are not part of the American family and you don't deserve that right," he said.

So far the plan is to make people ineligible to purchase handguns, but I haven't heard anything about such persons not being able to own own one. I've always thought of the No-Fly List as something that could easily morph into a political opposition list.

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[Flyboy]

I'm cool with saying Ted Kennedy isn't part of the American family, and doesn't deserve that right.

Unfortunately, I don't think the ATF will see the humor. The Supreme Court, however, is likely to take a dim view of this.

 

[EMUGOD]

i can't believe the no-fly list is still active. what an absolute failure, below even the norm of national security initiatives.

it won't happen.

i foresee this thread being locked very quickly.

 

[Animal Mother]

This video is nearly two years old. Post-Heller I don't think that idea is going anywhere.

 

[Dr. Fresh]

I've always thought of the No-Fly List as something that could easily morph into a political opposition list.

It already is.

 

[ants]

This is old!!!

Don't misunderstand this as current news.

Yes, Pres Obama favors gun control. But let's get current.

 

[rbernie]

The current thread title is absolutely misleading - there is nothing to suggest that this is the Obama administration's current position.

However, I do think that it's important to note how the members of the current administration pander(ed) to the Brady Bunch.

Oh, and fair warning - discussing the political issues with the NoFlyList is off-topic here. The issue is how it might be used to discriminate against the RKBA.

Post-Heller I don't think that idea is going anywhere.

I certainly hope that's correct, but I'm not sure I can make that leap. The no-fly list does not represent a broad restriction against a significant segment of the population, and I can see how it might be considered 'acceptable' since its immediate practical impact is limited in scope.

 

[jfh]

I'm with rbernie--i.e., the current admin are doing their damndest to figure out back door methods to stoke up antigun sentiment in the population at large.

Jim H.

 

[2RCO]

I subscribe to the idea that people who really are too dangerous to do things like fly on commercial airliners and own guns should probably be locked up in a jail somewhere. Since all activities that would lead to someone being considered in this category are already illegal and therefore imprisonable offenses then I see no need for Gun Control or No Fly Lists. Just lock the badguys up and let the majority of goodguys be.

Maybe I'm oversimplifying.

 

[Dr. Fresh]

Isn't there some kind of precedent somewhere that says you can't be stripped of your rights without due process?

 

[EMUGOD]

I subscribe to the idea that people who really are too dangerous to do things like fly on commercial airliners and own guns should probably be locked up in a jail somewhere. Since all activities that would lead to someone being considered in this category are already illegal and therefore imprisonable offenses then I see no need for Gun Control or No Fly Lists. Just lock the badguys up and let the majority of goodguys be.

Maybe I'm oversimplifying.

you're forgetting that there are no requirements to be put on the no fly list. as others have said it has already largely become a political opposition oppression device..

 

[rbernie]

Isn't there some kind of precedent somewhere that says you can't be stripped of your rights without due process?

That hasn't been relevant for some time now, certainly not in the aftermath of things like 'The Patriot Act'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List

 

[Harve Curry]

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Posts: 838 I subscribe to the idea that people who really are too dangerous to do things like fly on commercial airliners and own guns should probably be locked up in a jail somewhere. Since all activities that would lead to someone being considered in this category are already illegal and therefore imprisonable offenses then I see no need for Gun Control or No Fly Lists. Just lock the badguys up and let the majority of goodguys be.

Maybe I'm oversimplifying.
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It's scary the number of fireArms owners, RKBA advocates, who would take away another citizens rights without following our American due process. Take away rights for a misdemeanor and/or accusations.
What have we come to and what are we becoming?

 

[Old Fuff]

While this is highly unlikely, lets say for argument only, that all of the people on "the list" are really terrorists.

Does anyone think that blocking they're ability to legally purchase a firearm will prevent them from getting them? I suspect that this proposal would be about as effective as the one that is supposed to stop convicted felons from purchasing or otherwise obtaining guns.

And of course it is absolutely impossible that a real terrorist would be able to fly using counterfeit identification documents...

 

[highorder]

The ironic thing is, The No-Fly list by design does NOT contain known terrorists;

We dont want them to know that we know that they know that we know...

 

[Tommygunn]

The ironic thing is, The No-Fly list by design does NOT contain known terrorists;

This is true, and has always puzzled me.
What is the purpose of the list?
Apparantly not to keep terrorists off planes .........

 

[EMUGOD]

What is the purpose of the list?

same as all the security measures taken after 9/11, to justify the DHS/TSA

 

[husbandofaromanian]

Before Heller I would have been afraid of something like this.

 

[ants]

Topic at hand: No Fly List and the right to bear arms

As stated previously, we don't strip rights away from people without due process.


Rahm Emmanuel wants to strip gun-buying rights away from those on the No Fly list. Yet, he is an outstanding critic of the Bush administration for stripping rights from citizens without due process. How does he separate his proposal from those he criticizes?


The No Fly list still accidentally contains names of normal citizens who never did anything wrong. My cousin is a housewife who never even received a speeding ticket, and she is surely not political. She cares for nothing political, she has membership in no organizations whatsoever, she doesn't blog or protest, she has never left the United States. She stays at home and raises her two kids. But her name (a very unique name made up by her father, coupled with her husband's odd last name) is shared by no one else on the planet, yet she is on the No Fly list.

 

[damien]

Even if they could somehow enforce this via NICS (i.e. have the system give a No Go for people on the list), they could not enforce it for private party transfer without a change in the law. So worst case, a person on the No Fly list would buy from a private party.

 

[rbernie]

Which is why they also want to ban private sales, aka 'the gun show loophole'.

 

[damien]

Of course, that would be the "change in the law" that I mentioned. Hasn't happened, yet, though. What we are talking about is the executive branch making a unilateral change to block people on the No Fly List from purchasing guns. All I am saying is that they can do absolutely nothing unilaterally that will do that. Of course, if Congress changes law and it is upheld by the courts, that is different. But that is a far higher bar to surmount.