Obama Trying Executive Order to Dis Arm Us Again

[22-rimfire]

Obama Care will be used against otherwise law abiding people and if you believe HIPPA is going to stop them... think again. They will simply blame the "system" and in essense there is no responsibility. The medical records will be available to the government whether or not you believe it or not.

 

[Gallstones]

Have any of you ever thought all this anti-gun stuff Obama is spouting right now is only to DISTRACT people from his cowardly actions at Benghazi and Syria?

See he, Biden, Reid, etc.. all know it will never pass Congress but he is trying and trying and getting the press to notice that and not the hearings on his very actions (and Hilary's to.)

Executive orders? Last time he waved that stick it turned into a wimpy grass weed in his hands and it will do the same this time.

He is a lame duck and getting lamer all the time and everyone is staring to notice.

Deaf

I have been wondering if I'm not getting paranoid, but I had this same idea, that the anti-Second threats are causing people to focus on them and thus remain naive about some other important things that are going on.

 

[buck460XVR]

bigdaa, I don't really want to speak for joeschmoe, but many of us are very tired of "OUR" side using as much disinformation, hyperbole, and sloppy reporting as the other side does.

Obama using an Executive Order? Oh, he's not? But we said he was to trick people into getting riled up?

And it's been going on for a long time -- long enough for most of us to be thoroughly sick of it. Obama makes a real enough "bogeyman" just based on what he's really done and really tried to do. But when we pull the Alex Jones routine of just making up stuff to generate hits and raise people's blood pressure... it's nearly as destructive to our efforts and dissipates our strength and focus as much as anything the other side could hope for.

That's not being "complicit." That's being thoroughly exasperated with "OUR" own stupidity. And I AM.

Sam pretty well summed up my feelings on this. We ridicule the other side for crying "wolf" while the next moment it comes outta our mouths. We dish their credibility because of it while at the same time we discredit ours using the same tactics we accuse them of. Why some think it is okay to lower us to their level is beyond me. Ain't where I wanna go and it's not doin' our cause any good. I have got to the point where I tend to avoid these types of threads altogether because of it.

 

[Texshooter]

The GOA article does our cause harm because it contains so much misinformation.

"Obama Administration Trying to Grab Guns Through Executive Order" Other than being in the title of the article, there is no further mention of Executive Orders in the article.

"Remember how their [Senators Toomey, Manchin and Schumer] amendment would have encouraged your psychiatrist to turn you in to the FBI's gun ban list?" The Manchin-Toomey Amendment contained no provisions weakending the standards for determining prohibited persons. Sec. 115 actually provided for the creation of a formal review board or access to judicial review in Federal court for veterans wrongly denied their 2A rights.

"Instead, Secretary Kathleen "ObamaCare" Sebelius - and her Department of Health and Human Services - has promulgated regulations which would, by executive fiat, waive all federal privacy laws and encourage you doctor to report you to the FBI." What the GOA article points to as "regulations" are not regulations at all, but a request for public comment on whether changes are needed in regulations. And even the potential changes for which comments are requested are not about what the GOA article claims.

"Also, be sure to tell your congressmen that you oppose the "see a shrink, lose your guns" regs issued by the HHS." HHS has not issued a regulation. Writing to members of Congress to oppose something that has not been proposed would look pretty silly.

Yours is a well thought out response and observation, but I just feel our need for deligence is at a place never before seen.

I am old enough to have seen too many Government edicts (of all sizes, shapes and forms) already decided when "they" proclaim to want public input. Too late. Just a snow job for the masses.

I should think we, especially now, best be better safe than sorry.

 

[gc70]

I am old enough to have seen too many Government edicts (of all sizes, shapes and forms) already decided when "they" proclaim to want public input. Too late. Just a snow job for the masses.

I should think we, especially now, best be better safe than sorry.

Unless or until someone points out real, objectionable aspects of the Request for Comments, it appears to be fairly innocuous and our attention should probably be more profitably focused elsewhere.

When the actual proposed regulatory language is eventually issued, we should all read it very carefully; I am cynical enough (or maybe experienced enough) to believe that the Administration may try to slip in some zingers at that point.