Obsolete?

[model4006]

Is the 10mm auto obsolete? Is it worth buying/carrying a gun chambered in this, like the glock model 20/29 or a 1911 style?

Im just looking for general opinions of the 10mm and how hard it is for you guys to find practice ammo, and defense ammo.

 

[Kind of Blued]

The last time I checked 10mm/.45 ACP ammo prices online they were similar and even some manufacturers who produced 10mm which they sold for LESS than .45 ACP.

This suprised me, although I don't own a gun chambered for either cartridge.

 

[Huckle2]

I bought S&W Model 1066 years ago for my son. 1911 frame, ambi safety, all stainless, 9 round mags, adjustable rear site. 100% reliable and shoots well. The range we frequent stocks ammo. As far as being obsolete, ask the guys here, I'm not sure...

http://www.10mmtalk.com/

 

[Werewolf]

In my not so honest opinion:

10mm isn't obsolete - but it's so close in performance with factory loads to that of a .40S&W that most folks just go with the .40.

If you're a handloader you can get max performance out of a 10mm and the difference between a 40 and the 10 is appreciable and worth the time and effort to get it.

If you're not a handloader then .40 will do you.

I expect that based on a comparison of sales between the 40 and the 10 that many folks think the same.

 

[Kind of Blued]

I just checked prices again, and 10mm looks quite a bit more expensive this time...

In my opinion, 10mm makes a lot of sense, especially in a 1911. The same capacity as a .40S&W pistol with almost twice the energy of .45 ACP (about 400 ft/lb vs. about 740 ft/lb).

In a 1911 the difference is eight rounds of .45 vs. nine rounds of 10mm, in my opinion this is a much bigger deal than the difference between 14 rounds of .45 ACP in a Glock 21 vs. the 16 rounds of 10mm in a Glock 20.

 

[ebd10]

You guys might want to check this out.

http://www.vltor.com/pistol.htm

 

[berkbw]

IMHO - and agreeing with werewolf, if you were to be a handloader, the 10 might be a good idea, since YOU can control the "where's the beef" answer. I don't think you handload. The difference between a .40 and a 10 can be nasty on the shooters side.

I would suggest that unless you REALLY want the extra punch, et al, of a 10, you might be better served with a .40. There WILL be ammo in more places, and it should be cheaper. If you're a wimp, or over 55, don't go badder than the .40. Even then you might be better off with a .45ACP, because the .40 is not a lot of fun to shoot a LOT.

BTW - what do you want it for? Hunting? (what?), protection? (from what?), targets? (9mm). Both the .40 and the 10 are hard on the wrists, and hard to bring back on target for follow-up.

b-

 

[jmr40]

Look at www.georgia-arms.com for good prices on 10mm ammo. Around $30/100 rounds and about the same price as .45. Their ammo is not in the same league as Double Tap but is enough of a step up from .40 to notice the difference. I use their fmj for practice and their 155 gr gold dot loads for self defense. I also have Double Tap ammo for those hikes in the woods when there could be 2 or 4 legged predators.

I really like my Glock 20. With 16 rounds of ammo comparable to .357 mag in a smaller lighter gun that I shoot more accurately is a lot to like.

 

[makarovnik]

Bite your tongue!

 

[Polish_Pounder]

Erratum

I would suggest that unless you REALLY want the extra punch, et al, of a 10, you might be better served with a .40.

Et al. is the abbreviation of et alii, meaning "and others". E.g. is short for exempli gratia, meaning "for example" or "for the sake of example". I believe you meant e.g. I'm not trying to be a jerk, just letting you know in case someone raises an eyebrow when you use it elsewhere.

As for the 10mm... I've shot a lightweight 4" Kimber with full-power loads and it was awesome. Barely less controllable than my 5" 1911 in .45, but much lighter and more horsepower.

-Polish

 

[lee n. field]

Obsolete? No. Not in the sense that, say 9mm Bergmann Bayard is obsolete. A little obscure.

 

[IdahoLT1]

In my not so honest opinion:

10mm isn't obsolete - but it's so close in performance with factory loads to that of a .40S&W that most folks just go with the .40.

If you're a handloader you can get max performance out of a 10mm and the difference between a 40 and the 10 is appreciable and worth the time and effort to get it.

If you're not a handloader then .40 will do you.

I expect that based on a comparison of sales between the 40 and the 10 that many folks think the same.

if you buy bulk factory ammo they will be close, but if you buy Double Tap's ammo or other companies who arent afraid of harnessing the power of the 10mm, the 40 doesnt even come close.

Heres Double Tap's stuff:

10mm- 155gr. @ 1475fps / 750ft/lbs
40S&W- 155gr. @ 1310fps / 590 ft/lbs

Its like saying the 38 special is close to the 357mag or the .380ACP is close to the 9mm.

10mm is far from obsolete. It just isnt as popular as other cartridges thus making it more expensive. It cost me like $.02 per round more to reload a 10mm than a 40S&W. If you buy factory ammo, the prices will be similar to the 357mag. It isnt cheap with an autoloader, but Double Taps self defense ammo is cheaper than some other companies 9mm defense ammo(i.e. DT ammo is ~$30/50rds while Federal 9mm self defense ammo is ~$20/25rds). You wont be able to shoot it as much as a 9mm or 40S&W, unless you have a very good income, but IMO, its alot more fun to shoot the 10mm than a 9mm or 40S&W.

 

[berkbw]

I actually meant it as posted.

 

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L.O.L. I think you were just saying that if one wants the "extra punch" -along with the other advantages- of the 10mm, then just get a .40 S.W. Now I don't necessarily agree (see I.L.T.'s D.T. post), but I do see where you are (erroneously) coming from!



Now A.F.A. the O.P.'s question, I would not consider the 10mm to be obsolete. At least not as long as manufacturers are still selling pistols chambered for this caliber! Others might have a different definition of "obsolete" than me, but even if they quit making them, the 10mm will be a long ways from "not being used" with reloaders. I.M.O. only and Y.M.M.V.

 

[ObeOne]

No. As seen it is doing better now than ever. More companies are making guns, and finding ammo now with the internet is not a problem. I reload mine, witch is another option.
It is a very versatile cartage if it is loaded to its potential. Unfortunately you sometimes have to look for "real" 10mm loads (like Double Tap and Georgia Arms) instead of the 10mm light loads most load.
Of course if you don't want or need the power, go ahead and go with the 40 Short & Weak

 

[PhysicsGuy]

No its not obsolete, just not as common as most calibers, kind of like the .38 super, it just has its only special niche.

 

[FEG]

Is the 10mm auto obsolete? Is it worth buying/carrying a gun chambered in this, like the glock model 20/29 or a 1911 style?

You just named a minimum of three models currently produced in 10mm. (Actually, several companies manufacture 10mm 1911 pistols, so more like six models.) You also missed a few, like the S&W Model 610 revolver (currently in production again).

You answered your own question. Obviously, it isn't obsolete if companies are manufacturing new pistols and factory loadings.

So long as .40 sells well, I feel pretty confident in finding loaded 10mm cartridges and/or components.

 

[Mortech]

The 10MM is one of my favorite cartridges after only being introduced to it a couple of years ago . Around this part of the Puget Sound I can get factory 10MM ammo at or cheaper than I can now get 45ACP . And there are plenty of places you can buy factory ammo that easily excedes anything out there for 40S&W . I do carry a 40S&W as my main urban CCW , but when I'm walking in cougar territory in the woods here a 10MM is what I carry ....period .

 

[Glockorama]

but when I'm walking in cougar territory in the woods here a 10MM is what I carry ....period .

+1



Sans light, of course..

 

[IdahoLT1]

I trust my 10mm to stop any charging North American animal, with the exception of the Brown bear or Grizzly bear.

 

[Peter M. Eick]

No it is not obsolete. It is a handloaders dream cartraige and a lot of fun to shoot.

It just is more power then most can handle well so instead of trying hard to embrace the challenge it is badmouthed for being too powerful.

 

[Glockorama]

I trust my 10mm to stop any charging North American animal, with the exception of the Brown bear or Grizzly bear.

I concur with that as well. No handgun is well matched for bear, but 16 rounds of doubletap ammo would be tied for my first choice. 44mag being the other, but those 16 rounds give you a lot more chances with shot placement.

 

[JeepGeeek]

quite easy for me to find ammo.

I just look on my reloading bench. For carry, I'll buy Norma defense loads.

 

[Thunder496]

If more of the gun shops in east Tx carried 10mm ammo at a reasonable price. I would already have a G20, but the only place that carries it is Gander Mt. 45miles away and Remington UMC 50rd box is $49. But my wife has my b-day/Christmas present on order(reloading equipment) so a G20 is in my near future.

 

[poet]

The price of ammo is definately a factor. But it is a respectable caliber to shoot.