October 1, 2013. Thank you, NC lawmakers

[dusty14u]

I am glad this bill passed and did my part with repeated contacts to my representatives and senators. I moved to NC two years ago from Virginia and it was a big step back from the freedom I had in Virginia. I did the same thing there with contacting pressuring elected officials as well as voting. It takes every person doing their part to make a change. Hopefully we can help to make a difference for our brethren in NY, Cal, Colorado and elsewhere. This is a battle that must be fought daily.

I would like to get rid of the Jim Crow era laws still in existance here ,such as the Sheriff issued pistol permit system , even though it doesn't affect me personally. Now groups here are trying to get business's to post their property and signs have the force of law here.

 

[Green Lantern]

Awesome! Those are some much needed improvements. The prohibition of carrying in a restaurant that serves alcohol has always been particularly baffling to me.

Not that the others actually made sense....

Oy, you must thankfully have managed to steer clear of the "DRUNKS with GUNS IN BARS!!!!1!!" crowd. I have a cousin in that crowd. I try to tell her that actually consuming alcohol is very much forbidden. I try to tell her that the law before made no differentiation between an upscale restaurant and the stereotypical dive bar. It's a lost cause...

Ironically I'm so much closer to Tennessee, it was a bigger deal for me when THEY passed Restaurant Carry. But this and the rest are very welcome changes!

 

[Fishbed77]

S.C. had a similar revision to the law concerning restaurant carry tabled earlier this year. I hope that it makes it through the state senate early 2014.

Indeed! I've always found it ironic that SC carry law prohibits lawful carry in one of the places you are most likely to need it (where other idiots may be getting drunk).

 

[phonesysphonesys]

I will greatly enjoy my next trip to NC.

 

[Buck Kramer]

Whoop! Go team!

 

[GLI45]

Nice to here the news about the NC changes. I'm from Texas, but have a vacation home in the mountains near Boone and we are up there several times a year. Absolutely beautiful area and great people. While Texas and NC have reciprocity regarding concealed carry, the changes (especially restaurants and places that sell tickets like movie theaters) not only make sense, but are more like the rules I'm used to.

Thanks North Carolina. Not only for recognizing the rights of law abiding citizens, but also for allowing this Texan to enjoy your fine state.

My son just graduated from App State, so GO MOUNTAINEERS!

 

[TarDevil]

My best friend is a school teacher and in the past, having lunch with her meant leaving pistol at home. We've also been discussing getting her CHL, but since she spent most of her time to and from school there hasn't been much need.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

All right!
As a frequent visitor to NC I really welcome this...if we could get the same in SC that would be even better news.

We're working on it:

Places that serve alcohol:

http://www.southcarolinaradionetwor...urant-carry-bill-will-not-become-law-in-2013/

Tickets sold for admission: No restrictions that I'm aware of, other than what's already outlined in Section 23-31-215.

Antigun localities: SC has state preemption. Section 23-31-510.

CHP holders and school property: Allowed subject to limitations of Section 16-23-420

CHP privacy: We're still trying to remove ANY permit requirement, either concealed or open, for the state, which would obviate any such privacy concerns that go along with a list of permits which might be published or otherwise released. I couldn't find anything on current laws which either protect or allow public access to such a list.

http://www.thestate.com/2013/03/04/2660494/sc-senate-hearing-on-bill-to-allow.html

Parades and funerals: No restrictions other than what's already outlined in Section 23-31-215.

Employees of schools: Already covered, with respect to having a home on school grounds. Unless that home itself is actual school property, then it requires permission.

Compliance with NICS Improvement Amendments Act (NIAA) of 2007: Haven't looked into the ramification of H 3560, but it was in the works earlier this year:

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/s...form-bill-to-be-considered-by-the-senate.aspx

Sound suppressors: Haven't heard a thing on this. (I know...lousy pun...)

 

[Inebriated]

Did a lot of emailing and followed this til it passed. Glad it did.

The other day, I got an email from my school about the new law and what CHL-holders can and can't do. It was surprisingly neutral, I was hoping they'd be more frantic about it.

 

[goldie]

As soon as i retire, im probably going to move to N.C., & get out of the nazi state im in now.(ny)

 

[Tallbald]

No restaurant carry in SC if they serve alcohol?? Oops! Had a good vacation there though. Don

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

No restaurant carry in SC if they serve alcohol?? Oops! Had a good vacation there though. Don

Yeah. That's annoying. I could do with a change to that law.

For those interested, it's Section 16-23-465 for offenses involving firearms in SC.

Additional penalty for unlawfully carrying pistol or firearm onto premises of business selling alcoholic liquors, beers or wines for on-premises consumption.

In addition to the penalties provided for by Sections 16-11-330 and 16-23-460 and by Article 1 of Chapter 23 of Title 16, a person convicted of carrying a pistol or firearm into a business which sells alcoholic liquor, beer, or wine for consumption on the premises is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than two thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

In addition to the penalties described above, a person who violates this section while carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23, must have his concealed weapon permit revoked.

 

[dbp]

Yeah. That's annoying. I could do with a change to that law.

For those interested, it's Section 16-23-465 for offenses involving firearms in SC.

Additional penalty for unlawfully carrying pistol or firearm onto premises of business selling alcoholic liquors, beers or wines for on-premises consumption.

In addition to the penalties provided for by Sections 16-11-330 and 16-23-460 and by Article 1 of Chapter 23 of Title 16, a person convicted of carrying a pistol or firearm into a business which sells alcoholic liquor, beer, or wine for consumption on the premises is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than two thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

In addition to the penalties described above, a person who violates this section while carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23, must have his concealed weapon permit revoked.

http://www.wistv.com/story/24473972/sc-senate-approves-concealed-guns-in-restaurants

Finally -- It will go to the House and then Gov. Haley will sign it into law!

 

[MedWheeler]

Very impressed! As a frequent visitor to Macon County (Franklin area), I was driven crazy by the constant checks I had to do each time I ventured out of my mom's house or my hotel room. Where am I going now, and where will I be stopping on the way? Disarm here, but not there? It coulda made one paranoid.

Too bad it doesn't take effect 'til October; my next visit will likely be before then.

(In Florida, we can drink while carrying, even get drunk, as long as we don't "use" the firearm except in necessary self defense. Of course, getting drunk, carrying or not, is rarely wise.)

 

[dbp]

Very impressed! As a frequent visitor to Macon County (Franklin area), I was driven crazy by the constant checks I had to do each time I ventured out of my mom's house or my hotel room. Where am I going now, and where will I be stopping on the way? Disarm here, but not there? It coulda made one paranoid.

Too bad it doesn't take effect 'til October; my next visit will likely be before then.

(In Florida, we can drink while carrying, even get drunk, as long as we don't "use" the firearm except in necessary self defense. Of course, getting drunk, carrying or not, is rarely wise.)

This is South Carolina, not North Carolina. Also, where did you see that it would be October before the law is passed? That may be the case, but I haven't read that.

 

[Inebriated]

NC's HB937 is already in effect. Been legally keeping a handgun locked in a compartment on campus for a while now.

 

[dbp]

Yep -- glad that we in SC will have that option soon for restaurants that sell alcohol.

 

[Inebriated]

It's about time!

 

[herkyguy]

ya'll scared me for a second. i swore it took effect last october, but then i saw the thread bumped that it wouldn't take effect. i gulped there for a second thinking i'd been break some laws.

 

[dbp]

Two different states being addressed in these posts - South Carolina and North Carolina. I think that's where there has been some confusion.

NC law pertaining to restaurant carry did go into effect last year. The SC law just passed the Senate and awaits passage (which is a virtual certainty) by the House and signage by Gov. Haley.

 

[Plan2Live]

Yep -- glad that we in SC will have that option soon for restaurants that sell alcohol.

I'm also glad to see the restaurant restriction hopefully being lifted in SC. However, I am less than enthusiastic with the elimination of the mandatory number of hours for the CWP class. I suspect we will see a race to the bottom as some CWP Instructors will gladly shorten their classes and basically become permit mills.

I know this comment will upset a lot of people but it is a heartfelt opinion. I probably should have started a seperate thread.

 

[dbp]

I'm also glad to see the restaurant restriction hopefully being lifted in SC. However, I am less than enthusiastic with the elimination of the mandatory number of hours for the CWP class. I suspect we will see a race to the bottom as some CWP Instructors will gladly shorten their classes and basically become permit mills.

I know this comment will upset a lot of people but it is a heartfelt opinion. I probably should have started a seperate thread.

Where did you hear about the CWP class hours being shortened? I haven't heard a thing. I'm not doubting you, I'm just genuinely interested in learning more about this. Thanks

 

[Plan2Live]

Where did you hear about the CWP class hours being shortened? I haven't heard a thing. I'm not doubting you, I'm just genuinely interested in learning more about this.

I read the text posted on the SC House website last night.Section 23-31-210 Paragraph 4 (a). The text that is lined out designates portions that will be eliminated if the Bill passes. http://http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess120_2013-2014/prever/308_20140116.htm

It was also mentioned in The State Newspaper's article published on the front page today.

 

[dbp]

I read the text posted on the SC House website last night.Section 23-31-210 Paragraph 4 (a). The text that is lined out designates portions that will be eliminated if the Bill passes. http://http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess120_2013-2014/prever/308_20140116.htm

It was also mentioned in The State Newspaper's article published on the front page today.

Thanks for this information. I somehow missed the sidebar on The State online containing the info on training changes.

One thing concerns me though. It appears that if I'm understanding this change correctly, the issue of going into a posted "no guns" establishment now carries the weight of the law and you can be charged. Prior to this you had the opportunity to leave and nothing more would happen. See M-10. I hope I'm wrong on this.

Again, thanks for bringing this to my attention.

 

[dbp]

http://www.thestate.com/2014/01/23/3223184/bill-to-allow-guns-in-sc-bars.html

Bill has now passed both sides of the legislature and now awaits Gov. Haley's signature.

Finally!!