Odd 9mm Cases

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  1. DMW1116

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    I came across some odd looking 9mm earlier. It looks like steel cases instead of brass, but different from what I’ve seen. Can it be reloaded or is it for some specific purpose? 5347D764-B0BE-4F03-9CC4-8FB0DE382719.jpeg
     
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    Several companies use those cases.

    NovX uses polymer bullets.
     
  5. DMW1116

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    Are the NAS cases stainless steel? The reloading dies are a bit pricey, but if you can pick them up with a magnet and reload them more times than normal it might be worth it.
     
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    Yep, every once in a while someone dreams up a "new and improved" reloading component. Some work (like the polymer/copper, ARX style bullets seem to be working OK) some don't. I'll wait a few years before I make up my mind about the two piece cases. Besides the added cost of manufacture (machining of one piece of SS and attaching a second piece in how many operations vs a stamped brass tube) and the special dies, after repeated firings and reloadings will the two parts stay together? Advertising says the two piece cases last longer than brass cases, but I have gotten 9-10 reloads out of my 9mm SD ammo brass before I lose them, or lose count...
     
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    Who said the cases were machined?

    Shell Shock cases are less expensive than brass cases.
    https://www.shellshocktechnologies.com/product-category/cases-reloading-tools/
     
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    The case heads are nickel plated aluminum and the bodies are stainless. They are held together by a extrusion of the body passing through the primer hole and locking the two together. The big difference in their dies is that the case isn't pulled out of the die by the rim but pushed out from inside pressure

    You'll see them marketed by different boutique high performance ammo manufacturers
     
  10. milsurpguy

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    I have a ton of those for my stupid hot 9mm SMG ammo. Yea they are shellshock technology. It appears you can reload them at least a few times with regular carbide dies as long as you lube them.
    I bought a few thousand of them new off gun broker for a little more than the price of range trash brass.
     
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    Well, they weren't made and assembled by hand. The bases were probably made on a machine (multi-spindle screw machine?) and the case body was probably made on a different machine (a punch type forming machine). And the two pieces were probably assembled on third machine. At least 3 production lines, three operations with inspections after each step. Sounds to me that they would be pretty expensive to make...

    "Machined" does not mean a part is cut out of a piece of raw stock on a lath type machine. Or is there fifty women sitting at tables hammering/forming the parts and then sticking them together?
     
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    They are obviously not expensive to make, hence their low price.
     
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    Brass is kind of expensive to make new. It's free to most of us as a lot of new gun owners have 9mm, shoot them and leave their brass.
    Aluminum and 400 series stainless are cheap by comparison.
    When I scrap brass I get up to $2 per pound. Aluminum is usually 40 or 50 cents a pound for cans and for magnetic stainless usually 10 to 15 cents a pound.
     
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    They go in my scrap bucket when found in my range pick-ups.

    Bill
     
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    Not a Business Major, but there are lots of reasons other than manufacturing to determine an item's retail price. One common method, is selling at a near loss to get something out in the market. I worked for a company manufacturing motion picture and theater lighting systems and they were barely out of the red for the first 4 years. They got their product out in the business and soon more people were familiar with the product, sales soon increased 200%. "New Idea" product? Sell cheap to flood the market and become known. Raw material costs are a big part of product costs and brass is more expensive than stainless steel. It is totally illogical to assume an item made of three pieces of a more difficult material to machine/produce is going to be less expensive than a product made from an easily formed common material of a product that has been mass produced for over 100 years.

    I'm done...
     
  17. fxvr5

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    I have no clue why you're debating this with me. Really. I don't make this product. I don't sell this product. I don't set the price for this product. If you're astounded by their price, ask them how they do it. Only they can enlighten you. Or maybe you can't stand that someone would question your judgement by pointing out the retail price of a product. That is an odd problem. But I'm glad you're done with it. Seems like your defense of your comment was never worth all the effort in the first place.
     
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    Gotta have the last comment. if my posts/opinions were so lame, why did you take up your precious (superior?) time to quote and attempt to rebuff all my posts?

    The "Ignore" function her works great!
     
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