spankaveli
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Just ask him how much more violent the house has become since you bought 2 guns and your mom got her CCW. 
Odd Situation with Guns at Home
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Nomad101bc
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As soon as i move out thats exactly what i intend to do.
Dave Dembinski
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Guns are cool and the Constitution is important, but in my opinion God comes before either and He says to honor your parents no matter how foolish you think they're being.
Sounds like Mom's been lying to Dad for a long time and you're following suit. Bad juju.
Sounds like Mom's been lying to Dad for a long time and you're following suit. Bad juju.
Go with your current plan.
AND honor your father's wishes at the same time. You aren't keeping them loaded for quick access for self-defense, so it shouldn't matter that they are off-site.
Check with a local store/shooting range. One I know of has a 3-ton bank vault door on a steel-lined concrete walled room, with individual lockers. Charges reasonable rent by the month.
But your father is not an enemy of the Constitution. So this is not an either/or situation. Get them off-site and honor his wishes.
And don't rub it in later that you had them in spite of his wishes. That phrase "in spite of" is important. It means "in active opposition to". How can you maintain a good relationship with your father if you rub something like that in? It can do no good, and only bad. Don't do it.
AND honor your father's wishes at the same time. You aren't keeping them loaded for quick access for self-defense, so it shouldn't matter that they are off-site.
Check with a local store/shooting range. One I know of has a 3-ton bank vault door on a steel-lined concrete walled room, with individual lockers. Charges reasonable rent by the month.
But your father is not an enemy of the Constitution. So this is not an either/or situation. Get them off-site and honor his wishes.
And don't rub it in later that you had them in spite of his wishes. That phrase "in spite of" is important. It means "in active opposition to". How can you maintain a good relationship with your father if you rub something like that in? It can do no good, and only bad. Don't do it.
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I'm not going to touch the debate on whether you should move the guns out of the house or not. But you might try asking him what happened. He might say, 'what do you mean?'.
Then ask him which person he knew that got shot or almost shot. This is very often the reason for illogical anti-gun sentiments, especially somebody who used to own a gun. Maybe he almost shot a friend or family member, or had an ND when nobody was around. Either way, it sounds like he's projecting his insecurities onto you - but the kicker is that you are NOT him. So it's a crappy thing he's doing to you. Find out the source of his emotional opposition and you might be able to swing him over.
Then ask him which person he knew that got shot or almost shot. This is very often the reason for illogical anti-gun sentiments, especially somebody who used to own a gun. Maybe he almost shot a friend or family member, or had an ND when nobody was around. Either way, it sounds like he's projecting his insecurities onto you - but the kicker is that you are NOT him. So it's a crappy thing he's doing to you. Find out the source of his emotional opposition and you might be able to swing him over.
Scorpiusdeus
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Let it go. He's made up his mind. The older he gets the worse it will get. Move on and enjoy your relationship with your dad.
I own a lot of firearms, and I taught my kids to shoot. While I encouraged the private ownership of arms, as long as any gun whatsoever was in my home, I locked them up. Me. My house, my control. Since I am responsible for any and all that goes on in my house, I insist that I hold the key.
That being said, If you want to own, and keep a firearm in your home, Move the F out.
You are a big boy, and if you are going to start making decisions on your own, then get your own place.
Third thought: You haven't told us everything, I am sure. Blind unreasoning philosophies that resist all rational argument are usually based on some nearly pathological issue in that person's life. If even your mother is keeping secrets of this nature from (she packs and has a ccw), there is something dreadfully wrong in this house.
There is a serious, and perhaps dangerous situation brewing here.
That being said, If you want to own, and keep a firearm in your home, Move the F out.
You are a big boy, and if you are going to start making decisions on your own, then get your own place.
Third thought: You haven't told us everything, I am sure. Blind unreasoning philosophies that resist all rational argument are usually based on some nearly pathological issue in that person's life. If even your mother is keeping secrets of this nature from (she packs and has a ccw), there is something dreadfully wrong in this house.
There is a serious, and perhaps dangerous situation brewing here.
Nomad101bc
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She does'nt go packing she got the concealed carry in cause in CT its the only way to own a pistol. My CX-4 storm is kept unloaded but i have one magazine that is kept full. If there were an intruder in less than 30 seconds id be locked and loaded ever since i have had no more issues with ensomnia. I am just going to wait it out seems the best solution. Maybe ill explain to him about the firearms in an informative non spiteful manner once i move out.
I agree with hankpac. After getting your own place when or if your parents visit and they see the safe, guns or what ever there is no need for the " I've own them for quite sometime now. Even when I lived under your roof and rules" routine. Reading your responses about how much stronger than dad you've become and how he may fear that and your desire as a teenager to push your values down someones throat who gives you shelter and food is questionable to say the least.
Is this the same Nomad that stored an AK in his trunk of his car because he couldn't take it in the house?
PB
Is this the same Nomad that stored an AK in his trunk of his car because he couldn't take it in the house?
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tegemu
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Don't Confuse Me With The Facts, My Mind Is Already Made Up!!!
XD Fan
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I am sorry if this sounds harsh, but based on what you have said so far, it sounds like guns are a secondary issue and functional (i.e. honest and resppectful) family relationships are the primary issue.
Waiting a few months to be "an armed American" does not seem to me to violate your oath, but you are the one that has to make that decision. Again, this is just my opinion, but keeping firearms in your dad's home in direct opposition of his wishes does violate your duty (again respect and honesty) to your father. At the very least, it appears to me that you need to follow that plan to get them off site.
Waiting a few months to be "an armed American" does not seem to me to violate your oath, but you are the one that has to make that decision. Again, this is just my opinion, but keeping firearms in your dad's home in direct opposition of his wishes does violate your duty (again respect and honesty) to your father. At the very least, it appears to me that you need to follow that plan to get them off site.
Nomad101bc
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I dont own an AK-47 so no its not the same nomad. To be honest i despise ak-47's and think of them as terrorist guns but thats an entirely different issue.
Yes as soon as possible i plan to get them off site but first i need a car inorder to effectively store them at some gun club. But i certainly wont throw it in his face i might invite him out to dinner or something and peacefully explain it.
Yes as soon as possible i plan to get them off site but first i need a car inorder to effectively store them at some gun club. But i certainly wont throw it in his face i might invite him out to dinner or something and peacefully explain it.
Alphazulu6
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Have you moved out yet Nomad? Haha...... ok that was funny.
Have mom take him to the range.
I do think you need to read up a little more on this subject. A hollow point can indeed penetrate walls or ricochet. There have been numberous threads on ammo for home defense, a search will find some for you.
I do think you need to read up a little more on this subject. A hollow point can indeed penetrate walls or ricochet. There have been numberous threads on ammo for home defense, a search will find some for you.
elrod
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To truly know a man you must walk a mile in his shoes. There may be issues that you know nothing of. One of my uncles fought in some of the most vicous battles of the Pacific theater in WWll. After those years, he never wanted to be around another gun. He also never spoke of his experences. People erect mental walls to block out tramatic happenings in their past, and this is entirely normal. He is your Dad, apparently a good one other than on this issue (which you brought up). I say to respect and honor him until you choose to move out. From your description, he has done a good job, and my hats off to him! You may be surprised how much he learns in the years to come.
Nomad101bc
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He is not a vetran of any wars nor was thier any violence from guns in his life. Its all based off a baised he established in debate. BTW thier lead jacketed hollow points specificaly made by federal and recomended by my local gun store owner so i know they are what is neccessary.
anotherKevin
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My first take on this is that if your Mom has a CHL that he doesn't know about, you have some massive communications issues in your family.
Personally, I would do anything possible to get out of there.
Personally, I would do anything possible to get out of there.
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I think this might be the truth! Sometimes when people get older they're already so set in their ways that no amount of information will get them to change their minds. You just have to respect his point of view while you are under his roof, and hope that one day your, and your mom's experience with guns will change his mind. But I wouldn't hold my breath.......
As far as the AK-47 thing. I respect your opinion, but do some reading. It is really an awesome piece of weaponry!
Good luck!
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The head of the house rules the house. As has been stated: His house= his rules.
Find a way to keep your guns off-property. I went through a period with my son when he thought turning 18 meant he was an adult and could do what he wished. That is true, but it didn't give him the right to do what he wished in my house. He moved out. It was ugly. 6 years later, we are still trying to repair the rift. Family is important.
If you stick with ROTC and complete it, you'll be going away for four years or so as you progress through the normal routine. At the end of that service, you will have a different outlook about this particular trial you are going through. It may not be time to fight this battle!
Find a way to keep your guns off-property. I went through a period with my son when he thought turning 18 meant he was an adult and could do what he wished. That is true, but it didn't give him the right to do what he wished in my house. He moved out. It was ugly. 6 years later, we are still trying to repair the rift. Family is important.
If you stick with ROTC and complete it, you'll be going away for four years or so as you progress through the normal routine. At the end of that service, you will have a different outlook about this particular trial you are going through. It may not be time to fight this battle!
MrPeter
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Cringe...Nomad101bc said:
Sounds like you have some trust issues in your family. From what you have described it doesn't sound like you have the best relationship with your father.
My folks and I had a good relationship, until the last couple of years of high-school, when I couldn't get my mother off of my back. To put it nicely, we didn't get along. Since I have moved out 3 years ago, we get along great now (even though they are anti-gun).
IMHO, based on what you have said, I think you'll see an improvement in your parental relationship if you move out. Good luck.
mljdeckard
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Be suspicious of anyone who speaks in absolutes about what ANY bullet will or will not do. You can increase or reduce the likelihood of your intention, but there absolutely no guarantees of any kind that any bullet will or will not perform as advertised.
Nothing is going to change his mind. His position is based on emotion, not reason. Like others have said, bite it off, and start packing a week before your 18th birthday.
And BTW, if you think your dad is irrational about possession and handling of firearms, wait until you get a load of military philosophy.
Nothing is going to change his mind. His position is based on emotion, not reason. Like others have said, bite it off, and start packing a week before your 18th birthday.
And BTW, if you think your dad is irrational about possession and handling of firearms, wait until you get a load of military philosophy.
Nomad101bc
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I will move out within a year hopefully though my mother is against me moving out at all. She freaked out at the notion I wanted my own house/apartment after i gradauted college even. Since my parents have offered to buy me a car in about year they will still have a hold over me and thus if my mother does'nt want me moving out it could create some issues. Bottom line avioding my dads attention as much as possible seems to be the best solution right now unfortanetly but I will still push for my own apartment building...
romma
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It baffles me in this day and age, that some people would rather be defensless, rather than at least keep a firearm even at home locked up just in case...
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