Do you give a copy of your CCW,& BOS, to a stranger?

[cfullgraf]

When purchasing a firearm in a private sale, I have had folks ask to see my driver license to verify age and residency but, except for one, they have not copied any information.

There is one fellow in our area that collects one particular antique firearm and he buys and sells a fair number to improve and fund his collection. He likes to keep a purchaser's name and driver's license number for his records when he makes a sale. That was fine by me.

 

[RiverPerson]

I only do records for C&R guns.

 

[M2 Carbine]

In a FTF sale I ask for no info and I give no info. Swap money and gun and walk away.

At most I may show my concealed carry license with my thumb over the name and address.


The anti gun crowd wants us to have to keep records and do a background check on all FTF sales.
If such as this became law we would all be crying. So I see no reason to be doing what the gun grabbers want.

It's a good day when I can end the paper trail on a gun.


Years ago a gun I filled out the 4473 for a gun, and later sold it, was used in a killing.
The detectives traced me half way across the US (don't tell me the 4473 isn't gun registration).

I told the Detectives I sold the gun (legally) and had no idea where it was.
They thanked me for my time.
The End, simple as that.

 

[Archaic]

I always ask to see (not record) ID which I at least write down, along with a license plate. I always show my CHL when asked for ID. On the FB gun swap group I am a member of, a lot of private sellers post that they will only sell to CHL holders. Nobody wants to be the person that sells a gun to the next Jared Loughner.

So much info about so many people is out there, that IMO worrying about it too much is like worrying about the barn door after the cow is gone. I'm a lot more worried about all of the junk mail the grocery store is going to send me after the cashier swipes my DL when I buy a six-pack,

 

[mdauben]

I don't understand this concern with creating a paper trail when buying or selling a weapon.

I would not be worried about paper trails so much, but more with identity theft.

I've never actually done a private transfer (other than some guns my dad gave me) but if I did I'd have no objection to a bill of sale or showing my licence to prove state of residence. No copying of info off the licence, photographing or scanning, though.

 

[gym]

Might I just add, most everything we discuss here has been discussed dozens of times before, "as there are just so many questions you can ask about guns". It doesn't hurt to occasionally go over stuff like this to keep the people who haven't seen it 5 years ago, or last year , in the loop.
I remember a few years ago saying the same thing myself, and a mod said, "if we didn't talk about the same things we would have nothing to talk about". So don't be one of those people who say we just spoke about this, because you may get a different take on it, or maybe a law got changed that you weren't aware of, just my 2 cents.

 

[tarosean]

I ask to see ID on sales to ensure your a resident and old enough, without recording anything. Trades I dont ask for anything.

If you dont like it, dont buy my gun..

 

[Gtscotty]

I always provide a BOS for myself and the other individual in a buy/sell/trade transaction, I don't think doing so is at all unreasonable for items usually valued between $500 and $1500. I also make this requirement known in my advertisement, or before we meet, and if someone has serious heartburn with it they don't have to deal with me. So far though, none of the folks I've dealt with have had a real problem with giving/receiving a BOS, most seem to like the idea.

 

[medalguy]

I neither ask for nor give out any personal information. I've been the victim of identity theft once and had to go to court to prove I was not the person the cops in the next state over were looking for in a DUI case. Too much time and $$$ to waste.

Our state law says you may sell to anyone unless you have reasonable suspicion that they might be a prohibited person. I talk to any buyers for a few minutes about guns, what they shoot, where they shoot, reloading, anything to reasonably prove to myself that the buyer is indeed a "gun guy". That's all that's needed.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

I'll sign a bill of sale, but I'm not allowing copies of my DL or CHCL.
Don't like it, fine. Sell it to somebody else. If I want a paper trail I'll go to a gun store. At least I know they're a legitimate business. If it's a stranger, they're not getting my personal info. Too much identity theft out there.

 

[aarondhgraham]

Call me paranoid but,,,

Call me paranoid but,,,
I always keep a record of any gun transfer,,,
Whether I'm buying the gun or selling the gun.

I include my P.O. Box number on a Bill of Sale I create,,,
But never the physical address of my home.

Would I let someone photocopy my drivers license?,,,
No, I would not allow that under any circumstance whatsoever.

I've had pawn shops try to do that before,,,
"It's our policy." simply does not cut it for me.

Aarond

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[dogtown tom]

M2 Carbine.....Years ago a gun I filled out the 4473 for a gun, and later sold it, was used in a killing.
The detectives traced me half way across the US (don't tell me the 4473 isn't gun registration).

You mean the 4473 you filled out in 1966?

 

[gym]

I killed the sale on this one. The guy just didn't get it. My CCW should be enough to show that I am allowed to have a weapon, I was not giving him a BOS, and Copy's of my DL and CCW. He just didn't get it. No problem there is another buyer around the corner.
With Identity theft rampant these days, I don't even give my SS# to the doctor or Banker. They don't need it. Every time in the past few years when I refused to give my SS# to someone, it made no difference, Even on a 4473, they have taken mine without it for 20 years.
How do we know who works in that gun store, or who's cousin is selling ID, once you give them your social, you can get screwed, they have your name address and everything else necessary to defraud you.
Your name, address, ss#, that is all it takes to identify themselves as you.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

I killed the sale on this one. The guy just didn't get it. My CCW should be enough to show that I am allowed to have a weapon, I was not giving him a BOS, and Copy's of my DL and CCW. He just didn't get it.

I would have done the same thing.

 

[M2 Carbine]

You mean the 4473 you filled out in 1966?

Yeah, but I think I bought the gun in 1963.
Was the "Yellow Sheet" called a 4473 in about 1963?

Anyhow whatever we filled out for the FFL dealers back then.
I bought the gun from a FFL dealer (at work) near Washington DC and got rid of it soon after.

It was about 1966 that the Baltimore, MD detectives called me in Texas.
Somehow they tracked the gun from the distributor to the FFL dealer, who had my information.
At the time you had to register handguns in Baltimore if you lived in the city. At the time I lived in the county so the Detectives had to have gotten my info from the FFL dealer. I assume the killing was in Baltimore City.


Before and since then I've bought and sold A LOT of guns FTF with no paper trail, and no problems.
If my life depended on it I couldn't say who I bought or sold the guns to and that's the way I like it.

 

[dogtown tom]

M2 Carbine

Quote:
You mean the 4473 you filled out in 1966?

Yeah, but I think I bought the gun in 1963.
Was the "Yellow Sheet" called a 4473 in about 1963?

ATF Form 4473's did not exist prior to the Gun Control Act of 1968.
Whatever you filled out back then was not a Federal form.
Kinda difficult to have "gun registration" on a nonexistant form.

 

[kimberkid]

I don't understand this concern with creating a paper trail when buying or selling a weapon. I've been buying and selling and trading guns for nearly forty years. I’ve only bought three new guns in my life and everything else has been private sales, ie, no paperwork. If you buy a used car from an individual do you check if it was used in an armed robbery? Ever bought an antique and researched if it’s on a hot sheet? How about power tools? A TV at a garage sale? Bill of sale, ID check, etc is really much ado about not much.

Your milage obviously varies.

^^^^^^^^^^
This ... Except I've bought lots of new firearms and filled out and filled out lots more 4473's

 

[Madcap_Magician]

I always ask to see a DL and CCW permit or permit to purchase (required in MN for dealer transfers). I understand people can be sensitive about that, but I prefer to only sell to people who can prove to me that they are eligible to own.

Am I required to do that? No. I don't keep records of the DL# or anything like that unless they offer to let me. But I consider it my due diligence, and I don't need anyone's money that badly.

 

[19&41]

I won't purchase a firearm without a bill of sale. I bought a pistol from a pawn shop and had it about a year and a half and traded it for another pistol at another gun shop. Around a week later, a police officer came by to ask about the pistol that I had traded, as it had been reported stolen. I had only my word that I had bought it in an apparently legal transaction. It took an hour, but I finally found the register tape with the pawn shop's name printed on it with the pistols' serial and id written on it. Shortly after that, the pawn shop closed up.

 

[M2 Carbine]

Kinda difficult to have "gun registration" on a nonexistant form.

Tell it to the two Detectives that knew when, where and what gun I bought and what dealer sold the gun to me, and that was about three years after I bought the gun.

Call it whatever you want but I was tracked half way across the US, because the paper trail started and ended with me.



I take pleasure in ending a gun's paper trail when I buy or sell FTF.


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[gym]

I bought a 3 month old Porsche from a dealer, had it for 4 years sold it and 4 years later it was repossessed from the new owner because they never took it off the "stolen car" report, as it was repossessed from the original owner and resold. Stuff happens, paperwork can pop up and smack you in the butt 20 years later.
He wanted to sue me, until I told him I bought it from Porsche, then he wanted to sue them, people will sue anyone for anything.
When I trade or sell something, I am done with it, unless by law I have to hand someone a document I would never offer it, no matter if they walked away or not.
There is no good that can come of your ID sitting in some strangers drawer some ware. Even a teenage kid can use it to order stuff off the internet, or open a charge card account, if they know what they are doing.
I don't feel comfortable giving a stranger or anyone, my personal invitation, that's the idea about meeting them someware other than your house.
As mentioned I sold a gun, x years ago, I have no idea where it went after that. It was legal for me to sell it, and that's all I need to be concerned with unless the law is changed someday then from that point forward I will worry about it.

 

[xxjumbojimboxx]

I bought a 3 month old Porsche from a dealer, had it for 4 years sold it and 4 years later it was repossessed from the new owner because they never took it off the "stolen car" report, as it was repossessed from the original owner and resold. Stuff happens, paperwork can pop up and smack you in the butt 20 years later.
He wanted to sue me, until I told him I bought it from Porsche, then he wanted to sue them, people will sue anyone for anything.
When I trade or sell something, I am done with it, unless by law I have to hand someone a document I would never offer it, no matter if they walked away or not.
There is no good that can come of your ID sitting in some strangers drawer some ware. Even a teenage kid can use it to order stuff off the internet, or open a charge card account, if they know what they are doing.
I don't feel comfortable giving a stranger or anyone, my personal invitation, that's the idea about meeting them someware other than your house.
As mentioned I sold a gun, x years ago, I have no idea where it went after that. It was legal for me to sell it, and that's all I need to be concerned with unless the law is changed someday then from that point forward I will worry about it.

That about says it.

 

[AirForceShooter]

when I sell I want to SEE a Florida ccw.
When I buy I'll show mine and the cash.

Never have done paperwork and wouldn't

AFS

 

[alsaqr]

Do you give a copy of your CCW,& BOS, to a stranger?

No!! Not ever.

 

[JSH1]

There is no good that can come of your ID sitting in some strangers drawer some ware. Even a teenage kid can use it to order stuff off the internet, or open a charge card account, if they know what they are doing.

No one can open a credit card account with just the information on your driver's license. To open any line of credit you need a social security number and I don't give that out to anyone.

I'm surprise that people are so hesitant to give out even basic information. Your name, address, and phone number are in the phone book. If you have a rarer name like me if isn't to hard to find.

For all you people worried about such basic information I invite you to go to www.spokeo.com and look at your free profile. Spokeo is a company that collects personal data and sells it. If you really want to be creeped out pay the $4 to see your full profile. Mine has:

Full Name
Current Address (plus my last 2 addresses)
Google Earth picture of my house
Home value and property tax info
Race
Date of birth
Phone Numbers
Marital status
Family tree including my parents, wife, brother and his wife
Email addresses
Social network profiles and all public photos / videos I've posted
Occupation
Income bracket
Voter registry plus party
Religion

You can initiate a search with a name, email address, phone number, username, or address. Even my father who is in his 60's and has never had done anything with a computer has an accurate profile (He has never had so much as an email address) The horse it out of the barn and long since left the pasture.