Those who want to own guns should join the military. Civilians shouldn't own guns.

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I sometimes hear people say that civilians shouldn't own guns. If they want to, they should join the military instead of complaining. I'm trying to remember, which politicians or candidates have said that?

The other day I just thought that that doesn't make any sense. I talked to one of my roommates, I have a few, who's in the army ROTC. He's going to some sort of boot camp this summer and he has a concealed firearms permit. The state he's going to honors the permit from my state. I asked him if he's bringing his handgun along. He said that in the military, the only times they allow you to have a gun on you is either when you're in battle, or when they issue you one of their's when on the shooting range or during a drill. He said that this is true even if you have a valid concealed firearms permit. He's training to be an army officer. Does anyone know if this holds true for other parts of the military? If so, when anti's say that civilians shouldn't have guns and if they want to they should join the military, that doesn't make any sense, because they can't conceal carry there even with a valid concealed permit?
 
Those who want to own guns should join the military. Civilians shouldn't own guns.

It works just like that in many armpit dictatorship countries all over the world.
 
You cannot carry concealed on any federal property, which includes military bases, unless you are acting in an approved offical capacity. That does not mean that he cannot take his personal weapon with him and carry it concealed off base. He can even take the weapon on base usually as long as he registers it with the base PMO or MPs, and the weapon is kept unloaded and cased.
 
Most Army posts have a Rod and Gun Club. They often have shooting ranges where you can shoot your personal weapon. You can keep your weapon in private quarters if you have them or in the Arms Room if you do not have private quarters. Carrying on post is different at every post and subject to post regulations.

Here is the one at Fort Bliss. It is quite nice. They also sell guns tax free at wholesale prices in the pro shop, but you have to join the military to buy there. :)

http://www.blissmwr.com/Clubs/Rodngun.htm
 
The relevant part of the quote is "civilians shouldn't own guns" - the whole thing about the military is smoke and mirrors.
 
That information is perfectly true. When I was in, I purchased a Ruger .22 Convertible Single-six at a terrific price from the base PX. The only time I ever was able to handle that firearm is when I was looking it while deciding to buy it and when I left that base. After I bought the firearm, the PX took it straight to the base firearms locker and registered it with the MPs so I could recover it when I left the base. This was back in 1963.
 
Heinrich Himmler - “Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State”.
 
Military installations have various rules on keeping firearms on post. When I was in Ft Huachuca some time ago they had to registered with the Provost Marshal. You could keep them in Post Housing or the BOQ if you were an officer. All others had to be secired in the arms room.

Keep in ind your friends CCW permit is issued by the state. The state has no authority on federal property, they can have there own rules.

Your friend will have little if any off time in a ROTC summer camp. This is one of those cases it's probably best to keep the guns at home.
 
I'm in the Army and oddly enough the Army is about as anti-gun of an organization as you can imagine. They are terrified of guns and ammo 'round here.

Guns are always locked away in a vault until ready for immediate use. Ammo is kept completely separate and only issued when ready for immediate use. And ammo is carefully accounted for.

Soldiers in non-deployed areas never carry any type of weapon unless they have an immediate duty need, such as guard or MP.

Soldiers in deployed combat zones have it differently, keeping their guns 24/7, but that's a different story altogether.

So... that dispells the myth quite handily.
 
There is a bit of social-engineering going on in the officer ranks (or so I've heard) to breed out the concept of the private ownership of weapons among themselves and their troops. It may be mime that fails to convince. Still,
some posts are FAR better about private weapons than others. I've got an old Stevens double gun marked 'U.S. Property'--it was a 'house gun' at a trap range some where. Nothing special except for the brand on the stock.

It's a hard sell--people who are proficient marksman are people who LIKE shooting (most of the time).
 
Join the military to own guns? Ok! I'll form my own militia, train often (you know, to be well regulated and what not), and own all the guns I can afford the buy.

Sounds like a plan to me.
 
Those who want to own fire extinguishers should just become fire fighters.
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Good analogy. Let me follow with another one:

Those who want to own fast cars should just become NASCAR drivers.
 
When you join the military you are no longer a Citizen with a concealed carry permit, you are scripted in the inventory and squared away as a "Mobile Rifle Platform, Organic".
 
I'm a Marine, I've been on Air Force, Army, Marine, Navy, and Coasty bases.

I liken the 'gun control' to England.

Personal weapons locked in the armory, you can check it out to use it, and then return it.
NO CCW.
 
My, how times change. I joined in the early Fifties and after boot camp, spent a year (and 22 days) on Adak. While there I bought a Model 70 in 30-06 and a Ruger Mk I (I think). I kept them both in my personal locker in the barracks. I wasn't supposed to but no one really cared.
One time when I came back after a day at work, there were guards on the door to the barracks. Someone had stolen something and all the lockers were being searched. I thought I was toast! But when my turn came to open my locker, the officer just checked to see if the stolen stuff was there. Seeing that it wasn't he just went to the next locker.
 
Blakenzy said:
When you join the military you are no longer a Citizen with a concealed carry permit, you are scripted in the inventory and squared away as a "Mobile Rifle Platform, Organic".
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ROTFL!

Truer words were never spoken! :D

GRIZ22 said:
Keep in mind your friend's CCW permit is issued by the state. The state has no authority on federal property, they can have there own rules.
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That is why you are not allowed to carry when you visit a military base or go to the VA Hospital for treatment. It is federal property and trumps the state. :(
 
It was Gen Wesley Clark who said:

"If you like assault rifles join the Army, we have millions of them. These types of weapons do not belong in civilian hands" .

Hitler said something similar, but I forget the quote at the moment.
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Actually, it was Himmler, but same type of totalitarian leadcatcher.

Though his expression of such sentiment makes me question Gen. Clark's fitness to serve in the US military.
 
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