Officer Says He Found Site Of York's Heroics In 1918

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Officer Says He Found Site Of York's Heroics In 1918

By Craig S. Smith

PARIS, Oct. 23 — An American military officer based in Germany says that he has located with some certainty the spot on which the World War I hero Sgt. Alvin C. York carried out his famous exploit in the Argonne forest of northeastern France.

On Oct. 8, 1918, Sergeant York, then a corporal, crept behind enemy lines with 16 other soldiers to attack German machine gunners who were holding up an American advance. They came under fire, and Sergeant York was credited with overcoming the superior force by using sharpshooting skills he had honed during turkey shoots and squirrel hunts in the Tennessee woods.

Competing camps of scholars and military historians have long debated the exact site of this legendary stand, which ended with the capture of 132 German soldiers and was immortalized in a 1941 film starring Gary Cooper. Until now, no one had found what seemed to be such striking material proof that the exploit might have taken place as described.

“We nailed it,” said Lt. Col. Douglas Mastriano, an American military intelligence officer working for NATO, who has spent six years researching the Sergeant York story using American and German military archives.

The general area where the fight took place, near the village of Châtel-Chéhéry, is well known, but vague and conflicting battlefield accounts made it impossible to say exactly where it occurred.

Most people involved in the hunt have agreed, however, that Sergeant York was the only one who emptied a sidearm in the narrow valley that day, and students of the issue have said that finding a concentration of empty Colt .45 cartridges would be the best proof of where he stood.

Over the past year, Colonel Mastriano, his wife, Rebecca, his son Josiah and his friends Kory O’Keefe, Lt. Col. Jeff Parmer and Gary Martin spent nearly 1,000 hours walking the battlefield with metal detectors. On Oct. 14, Colonel Mastriano and Mr. O’Keefe found two .45 caliber rounds, one live and one that had been fired.

They returned the next weekend and found more evidence: 19 empty .45 cartridges scattered over a 10-foot-wide area at the base of a hill, along with German and American rifle rounds. Many of the German rounds had not been fired. They found more .45 slugs 20 yards away near the remains of a German trench together with hundreds of German rifle and machine gun cartridges, many of them live rounds, and bits of gun belts and debris consistent with soldiers surrendering.

The material fits closely with Sergeant York’s account, in which he described firing his rifle toward machine gunners on a hill before pulling out his Colt .45 to pick off seven German soldiers who charged him with fixed bayonets. Colonel Mastriano had the casings examined by a ballistics expert, who confirmed that they all had come from the same gun.

“I honestly never thought that we would recover the .45s and was stunned when we dug them up,” Colonel Mastriano said this week from his home in Heidelberg, Germany. “The find means that the search for the York spot is over.”
 
This is extremely cool. I sure hope they have it right!

Oh, and pefect timing for that Nov 7 release of the film DVD.
Too bad they put a Luger in Cooper's hand for the film.
 
One (at least) problem...

They found 19 spent .45 cases. and supposedly Sgt. York only fired one magazine, or 7 rounds. He may or may not have had an 8th round chambered.

Nineteen cases would indicate at least 2 reloads... :scrutiny:
 
certain accounts claim he fired 21 rounds.....


also, I think it's great that a man who was perhaps the single most productive and successful soldier in that campain (perhaps the whole
war, or any war?) was actually a conciencous objector initially.
 
certain accounts claim he fired 21 rounds.....

Yes, but I believe that included rounds fired in his rifle.

It would be reasonable to presume that Sgt. York had a double magazine USGI pouch - either web or leather. But those are hardly the best for making speed reloads, and doing this was not part of World War One training.

I would have to review the accounts again, but I believe the distance between York and the Germans charging him was not great, and the time frame seems a little tight for a double reload.

Remember, this wasn't a IPSC tournament. :scrutiny:

Don't misunderstand. I have the greatest respect for Sgt. York and his outstanding exploit. But I'm not sure that they did inded find "the" spot.
 
These guys are above and beyond, the only word to describe guys like York is 'legend'.

Here's a couple Canadian legends:

Sgt. Hugh Cairns
WW1:
http://library2.usask.ca/sni/stories/her15.html

Pte. Leo Major
WW2:
http://www.kvacanada.com/stories_taportraits.htm

-combat landing @ Normandy, loses an eye, won't get treatment.
-single-handedlycaptures 93 German soldiers and refuses decoration because he doesn't like Montgomery
-Single-handedly caputers the city of Zwolle, chases out entire German garrison
 
also, I think it's great that a man who was perhaps the single most productive and successful soldier in that campain (perhaps the whole
war, or any war?) was actually a conciencous objector initially.

If you read Alvin C. York's diary online at the University of TN-Knoxville, he said he was not a conceincious objector. He said he did do a lot of praying as to the righteousness of the war, but the ones trying to get him out of the Army were his mother and their preacher. He said they tried to get him out by his mother claiming he was her sole supporter, but he said that wasn't right because he had several brothers and sisters. He said the conciencous objector angle was something they made up for the movie which is plausible at least partly because Gary Cooper was famous for playing "reluctant heroes". But it is true what was said about stopping those guns was a matter of saving lives. Sgt. York's unit was decimated before they worked their way around to the site of his famous actions. Another thing I found interesting was where Mr. York said they had circled around and were two lines further into the enemy than they'd planned to be. The movie, IIRC, captured this point although not outright stating it. One comment he made that stood out with me was where he said their actions that day made it possible to releive "The Lost Battalion" which was positioned a ways ahead and further inside German lines.

I used to have a link to Sgt. York's diary, but that was a while back.

Regardless of how facts were switched out for Hollywood fabrication, Alvin York has always held a position as one of my personal heroes. He did what he had to do when it became necessary. He didn't seek personal glory, but used the attention he gained to the good of his community. That's equally if not more important and I wonder, if they made a new movie, how much more of his life would they cover.
 
"Officer Says He Found Site Of York's Heroics In 1918"

He's gonna have a really hard time proving it to me.
 
So he had 7 shots and killed 7 Germans with them, according to the standard story?

While I can definitely see a good shooter hitting with each shot, I have to wonder about the likelihood that all 7 would be fatal wounds.
 
The American (York) fired all of the rifle ammunition clips on the front of his belt and then three complete clips from his automatic pistol. In days past he won many a turkey shoot in the Tennessee mountains, and it is believed that he wasted no ammunition on this day.
The Old Fuff may have to stand corrected... :eek:

But this was over the length of the entire fire-fight, and not just when he shot and killed six Germans that charged him over a distance of about 25 yards.

Do read the full account in the link posted above by Steve Wynn.
 
So he had 7 shots and killed 7 Germans with them, according to the standard story?

While I can definitely see a good shooter hitting with each shot, I have to wonder about the likelihood that all 7 would be fatal wounds.

Hey, it was a .45 ACP 1911, wasn't it? Ergo, 7 shots, 7 KIAs. Right? :rolleyes:

Walter
 
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