Officers weapon Jams at worst possible moment

[COHIBA]

here is a lesson. when responding to...
shots fired
robbery in progress
possible burglary

pop the trunk and break out a real weapon.

 

[12-34hom]

Tragic

I wonder if he was wearing a BPV.?

Does make a very good case for revolver as primary weapon.

RIP.

12-34hom.

 

[Blackhawk]

I wonder if he was wearing a BPV.?

Dunno, but it wouldn't have mattered, IMO. The vest doesn't protect the shoulder, and the speculation is that he was hit in his strong shoulder, which may have contributed to his gun jamming.

I'm not convinced that "limp wristing" causes pistols to jam anyway, but that's a different topic....

I don't agree that this:

Does make a very good case for revolver as primary weapon.

I doubt that anybody with a shoulder injury that prevents a good grip on a pistol would even be able to fire a revolver DA or be able to cock it for SA.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Some guns seem more prone to limp-wristed jams than others. I don't know why that is the case as there seem to be differences at the level of the individual gun within a given model line.

Why is it we always practice and repractice those annoying gun jam drills? It is because things can go wrong at the worst possible moment? I think so.

What a shame.

 

[gudel]

the article did not mention what make/model he was using?

 

[Kobun]

pop the trunk and break out a real weapon.

Was thinking the same thing.
When you see danger coming, pick a (short) long gun if you have access to one.

It is sad that things like this happens.
A lesson to all.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Sad!

There's no way I'd even consider working in a check cashing operating without being armed.

 

[WonderNine]

Carry 3 guns. Nuff' said.

Well actually there's something to be said for proper maintenance as well.....

 

[WonderNine]

I doubt that anybody with a shoulder injury that prevents a good grip on a pistol would even be able to fire a revolver DA or be able to cock it for SA.

Use your other arm!

 

[cool45auto]

Terrible event. I'm sorry for the family.

 

[DeltaElite]

Use your other arm!

Easier said than done in the middle of a close quarters gun battle.

Of course, you would have had no problem in a close quarters gun battle, all that video game experience would get you through.

 

[thaddeus]

He should have had a long gun and certainly a backup gun. I hope that he did not die because he took his weapon lightly and did not train well or maintain it. It is a lesson for us all.

PS- Revolvers are far from malfunction-proof, and when they do malf, it is serious. I have had my share of revolvers that malf'ed, and it is usually impossible to clear with any speed.

 

[WonderNine]

Easier said than done in the middle of a close quarters gun battle.

Of course, you would have had no problem in a close quarters gun battle, all that video game experience would get you through.

Stop that already. I never said that I could do any better. I only challenged one poster's comment that you can't do anything when you've been shot through one of you shoulders. Go back and read the entire thread........thanks in advance.

 

[WonderNine]

Anybody who reads this thread should consider thaddeus's post above all.

 

[Tim Burke]

But what if he waited for backup ... that sounds too much like Columbine, where many of us scolded the cops for waiting for backup instead of rushing in to help

Columbine was an active shooter event. When Officer Clark arrived at this scene, it wasn't an active shooter event. Waiting for back-up may have been reasonable. Apparently he saw something that convinced him that the clerk was in immediate danger, and he needed to take action. Heroism has always gone hand in hand with tragedy; this is not a new phenomenon.

I'm not convinced that "limp wristing" causes pistols to jam anyway

I've seen Glocks that were completely reliable through thousands of rounds turn into jamamatics when tried by inexperienced shooters, and then become reliable again when the owners started shooting them. I thought that was "limp wristing."

 

[TRIDENT]

I wish he would have grabbed an 870 on the way in.

 

[Safety First]

Very sad about the officer and clerk. Do you think we will ever find out what gun the officer was using? I guess since he was the only one on the scene he had to evaluate the situation and make a fast decision. If he and the girl had lived he would be heralded as a heroe (and I'm sure he will be anyway) but the outcome would have been a happy one. I have no LE experience but find it hard to judge his actions with or without the experience/training. No one knows what he heard or saw before making the decision to not wait for back-up. My guess is he felt the clerk was about to be shot and had to act then. Let us remember the officers family and girls family in our prayers,they are the ones who are hurting the most.

 

[Don Gwinn]

He may not have had a long gun in the car. There are patrol officers who don't carry them, aren't there?
(I'm too big a chicken--if I were cop, I'd have a shotgun.)

 

[DeltaElite]

I'm with you Don, I have two back ups and an 870 that has 15 rounds on it.
My 870 would have been in my hands in that scenario.

In my dept I would estimate that less than 5% of patrol officers carry a shotgun and less than 2% are assigned rifles.

The 870 is a major equalizer and the sheer intimidation factor cannot be discounted.

 

[Greybeard]

Yep, pretty tragic. Prayers for family and friends of all down.

It's been so long ago, I've misplaced it, but I clipped an article one time entitled something to the effect of "One-shot Stoppages".

A major contributor was essentially said to be repeatedly abusing the top two rounds in a magazine. Scenario(s): Clear the chamber at night, insert mag the next morning, chamber a round, then "top off" mag with bullet that had been in chamber the time before. The Bottom Line: resulting overseating/underseating/dinged up cartridges can often cause semis to only go "bang" once, then malfunction.

I recall carrrying primarily a revolver as "always gun" at the time. But, after reading that article (in Combat Hanguns?), the semis that I did carry started making semi-frequent onesey-twosey contributions of high-dollar defensive ammo to a "practice only" bag ...

 

[El Tejon]

Grey, yes, the dreaded "police stoppage" is what I thought of as well. This is where the bullet setback on the second round caused a mal on the second round. The most notrious example of this is the shootout between those militia brothers and the Ohio Highway Patrol.

Lesson learned: check your gear, even the most blacktical weapon needs to be clean and lubed properly; check your ammo, fresh ammo! Check your 6.

 

[pax]

One handed malf clearing is an essential skill.

RIP Officer Clark.

pax

It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather, we should thank God that such men lived. -- George S. Patton, Jr

 

[Greybeard]

related thread http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=150142

Feedback in "Cop Talk" forum indicates EXTRACTOR failure in Browning High Power ...

 

[TheeBadOne]

Tragic!

1. Have backup.

2. Wait for backup.

3. Don't go in without backup.

Agreed, but the officer would have been roasted if he had not gone in and someone was injured. Perhaps that's what overrode his training and common sense. God bless him and his family.