Oh No ! My Glock shoots left.

[rskent]

I am having a little trouble getting my head around this, bare with me, please.

So I go to the range with my new G17. It only has a few hundred rounds through
it, but I have had to move the rear sight almost all the way to the right side of the
slide to get a zero.

So: With the rear sight almost all the way to the edge of the dovetail.

Shooting right handed, left support hand, right eye. The gun shoots about one inch left at ten yards.
Shooting left handed, right hand support, left eye. The gun shoots about one inch right at ten yards.
Shooting right handed unsupported, right eye. The gun shoots about three inches left.
Shooting left handed unsupported, left eye. The gun shoots about three inches right.

What I am having trouble getting my head around is that the gun seems to shoot pretty neutral
using the sights. When I look at the slide it seems strange because its pointing to the right. Yes I
know I am pushing the gun when I shoot but it seems very even side to side. I like the gun, It just
seems weird to have the sights that far over. The sights on my other Glocks are a little over but
this one is way over.

You would think that when I shoot leftie that the gun would shoot way right but it doesn't

Any thoughts or ideas? Constructive or otherwise.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

If the sights had to be pushed that far something is either terribly wrong with the gun or your technique. Have you had anyone put a laser down the bore to confirm the sight alignment?

And why are you swapping eyes? Shoot with your dominant eye.

I think here's what needs to happen:
1) Confirm the guns true zero and get the sights back where they need to be. If the gun isn't zero'd with the sights near neutral it needs to go back to Glock.
2) Determine your dominant eye and stick with it
3) Trigger control practice.

 

[MaterDei]

Your results seem to be pretty predictable. Seems to me that your trigger finger is pushing the pistol to the left or right, opposite your grip. The supported grip is minimizing the impact.

What joint on your finger are you engaging the trigger on?

 

[AK103K]

Pretty much every Glock I have, has the right edge of its rear sight drifted to the right side of the slide.

Sounds normal to me.

 

[jrmiddleton425]

Glocks have roughly a 1:10-inch right twist barrel. Trigger pull should more than neutralize that. Your results shooting right-hand, right eye sound normal to me.

 

[danez71]

Pretty much every Glock I have, has the right edge of its rear sight drifted to the right side of the slide.

Sounds normal to me.

I've read that before.... but why?

Do you think it's the lack of palm swell on the grip?


(I'm not insinuating that glocks aren't accurate)

 

[AK103K]

I dont know. Ive heard all manner of things and things youre supposed to do to fix it, and nothing Ive tried has ever worked.

I stipple all my grips, so I dont think the swell is an issue.

Im not worried about it. They all point and hit where I point them, and they are accurate when I aim them, so other than maybe the rear sight not being centered bugging you, if you dwell on it, I dont see its a problem.

 

[Kittie]

I have had many Glocks. I have always kept my sights dead center lined up with the bore of my barrel and had no issues what so ever. I would say more than likely it is how you are shooting.

It could be any number of things.

One person I was coaching actually had a twitch in his arm just as he pulled the trigger that was throwing him off. We worked out some drills and such for him to work on that would help eliminate the twitch. He has now almost gotten rid of it.

It could be how you are pulling the trigger. (this is very good possibility from what you were saying) It could be your grip.

I would recommend a trip to the range with someone used to coaching or teaching shooting with hand guns that can watch and see what it is you are doing. They may be able to even offer advice on how to correct it.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Slow fire from a bench rest shooting is your friend here.

Sit your keister down at a bench, get comfy, rest your arms across a bench rest to hold your aim steady and concentrate on maintaining your sight picture as you SLOWLY squeeze the trigger.

Bench rest will help take a lot of body wobble out of the picture. The slow squeeze will help take trigger error out of the picture.


What you may find is the trigger is different from what you're used to shooting...and it DOES make a difference. If so, then you'll just have to learn proper trigger technique for your new Glock.

 

[FireInCairo]

Could be a heavy trigger, too.

 

[Reloadron]

Which eye is your dominant eye?

Ron

 

[kokapelli]

The only Glock I have is a G42 and I had the same problem and after trying different things I discovered I was the problem, not the sites.

Try letting someone that has a Glock and shoots it well and let him or her shoot your Glock to see if it the pistol and not your trigger technique is the problem.

 

[Harleytoo]

9 times out of 10 it is shooter error. However, I have found specific guns that I thought I would love but I shot horribly with. I remember a Beretta 92FS I waited on a long time to get in from Italy. Beautiful gun, classic design, and couldn't shoot it for crap.

My son, dead ringer every time.

So it was not the gun, it was me yet again, but specific to that gun.

I tend to shoot low and left, so one day at a range I asked an instructor what I should do. His response;

"Aim a little high and right."

Duh!!:banghead:

So I did, and guess what. Hit dead center. However, much like your drastic sight movement (which ain't right regardless - these site types are more closely akin to the old grove and blade than we like to think - they ain't for adjustment!) I knew that I needed to work on my shooting.

Over the years I have trained myself (breath, finger placement, grip, etc...) to shoot where I aim. But if I get tired, I shoot low and left!

Lastly, try different ammo. I am a handloader so I can tailor a load to the gun. But with factory fodder you need to try different stuff. Your gun and the range you are shooting may be better suited with a heavier or lighter bullet. I found this true with every gun I have owned. Once you find a bullet it likes from an accuracy standpoint you can then work on yourself.

 

[Harleytoo]

One other thing, and I am not trying to knock the Glock (even though I can't stand them), but have you tried a heavier/lighter gun? I find that the lighter a gun is the worse I shoot it. I am a big guy and can soak up a lot of weight and recoil. So I tend to move around a lot more with light guns and my shooting technique suffers.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

I remember a Beretta 92FS I waited on a long time to get in from Italy. Beautiful gun, classic design, and couldn't shoot it for crap.

Exactly the gun I had problems with...until I sat down and did slow-fire bench rest shooting to figure out why I couldn't hit anything.

The answer turned out to be simple.

The other two handguns I owned (Colt 1991A1 and AMT Automag II) had different triggers. They pulled straight back.

The Beretta trigger doesn't...it pivots. And THAT makes a world of difference if you don't understand it.

Once I realized this, it was just a matter of practice and control. I can hit the target with the Beretta as good as, if not better than, my other pistols as a result.

This is why I advised slow fire bench rest shooting earlier.

 

[Harleytoo]

Listen to Chief, man knows what he is talkin about.

Where were you when I let my son have that 92FS!?!

Edit: I guess it worked out, he needed something to take to his duty station. I was afraid the Navy might issue him a Glock.

 

[Bobson]

Has anyone else tried shooting the Glock in the OP?

I've owned three Glocks and never had to adjust the sights at all. Never even heard of it before this thread. Even if it works for you, it's not normal. Either the gun is messed up and needs to go back to Glock, or you need to find an instructor for some one-on-one.

 

[AK103K]

Even if it works for you, it's not normal.

Its been "normal" for me for years now. Im not talking one or two guns either, Ive got at least a dozen of them.

 

[TomJ]

I have a number of Glocks and had the same issue. I didn't care for the stock triggers and replaced them with Phantom Triggers from rockyourglock.com. They (or I) shoot straight now.

http://www.rockyourglock.com/custom/RYG-10015.htm

 

[VA27]

I'v had a Glock since 1989. I was a firearms instructor for my agency for 25 years. Lots of people have the same sight issue with the Glock. My personal opinion is that it has something to do with the flex (however small it is) of the polymer frame and its relationship to the individuals grip on the gun. I can't prove it, it's just my SWAG.

On the other issue, some people 'see' differently with each eye and with some exceptions, people 'see' the sights differently. That's why you might not be able to shoot someone elses gun as well as they do.

Pick an eye (preferably your dominant one) and stick with it. Once you meet your accuracy and sighting goals then experiment with your 'off' eye. Hope this helps.

 

[rskent]

Thanks for the input

It could be how you are pulling the trigger.

For sure, but why when going from right hand to left does the point of impact
change. You would expect that if the sights were centered the push off
target buy my grip or finger would be more or less equal.

I would recommend a trip to the range with someone used to coaching or teaching shooting with hand guns

I agree. I need to seek out some help.

What you may find is the trigger is different from what you're used to shooting...and it DOES make a difference.
If so, then you'll just have to learn proper trigger technique for your new Glock.

True, butt I wouldn't think that a 17 would be that much different than a 19 or 26. It seems to be.

Could be a heavy trigger, too.

Stock, My 26 is now stock as well and it shoots POA POI and the sights are very close to centered.
It also has the same sights as the new 17, Trijicon HD's.

Which eye is your dominant eye?

I am left handed right eye dominant. The only reason I was using my left eye to shoot leftie was
to take my head cant out of the equation. I generally just bring the gun up to my dominant eye and shoot.
Yesterday I wanted to have my grip and stance to be as equal as possible right to left.

The question is..... Why, when the rear sight is not centered am I shooting more or less centered?
I would think if I move the sights to compensate for shooting left when I shoot right handed, when
I shoot left handed I would be way off target. My brain is telling me that if I shoot lefty with the sights
knocked way over to the right I should be hitting like 6 or 8 inches to the right. Yet I'm not. Clearly I am missing something.

Thanks again for your input.

 

[pockets]

Aim to the right.

 

[ares338]

Anytime I was shooting to the left it was always my grip and trigger finger placement.


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[AK103K]

Clearly I am missing something.

I went through the same thing youre going through (thinking wise), and the answer probably is "your brain", and youre over thinking it.

What kills me is, my Glock sights are all to the right, and the gun shoots POA when I use them, yet the gun shoots POA when I point shoot, and dont use them (and thats either eye, either hand too!). Add to that, all my guns with the sights centered shoot POA, and they too shoot POA when I point shoot them.

In order not to drive myself crazy, as long as they rounds go where I was looking when I sent them, Im not worrying about it.

 

[45_auto]

Does the gun do the same thing for anyone else that shoots it?

If so, it's the gun.

If not, it's you.

I've got about a dozen Glocks, and the most I've ever had to drift the rear sight to zero one at 25 yards is .010" - .020" (10 to 20 thousandths, makes about a 3" difference at 25 yards).