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Oh oh B Clinton in for gun control again

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No Surprises Here: Former
President Clinton Advocates New Gun And Magazine Ban Friday, February 06, 2009 With President Barack Obama stating that his "urban agenda" includes reimposing the former federal ban on "assault weapons" and "large" magazines, it's out-of-date to refer to that law as it was known at the time--the Clinton Gun Ban.
On second thought, maybe not just yet.
In January, speaking at a meeting of the anti-gun U.S. Conference of Mayors, former president Bill Clinton took credit for the old ban, praised the Brady Campaign for continuing to lobby Congress for a new ban, and suggested that the mood in Washington might be more favorable toward a ban now than it had been during the last eight years.
Here's what Mr. Clinton had to say:
"[W]e will not go forward anymore, I don't think, with the kind of politics of division and destruction that drug us down for too long. That's essentially what is different, and what creates this great moment of opportunity . . . . to have conversations with people, instead of screaming matches, over things like what former Mayor [now Brady Campaign president Paul] Helmke works on so much—over what is the best way to keep the American people safe. Nobody wants to repeal the Second Amendment, and nobody wants to keep you out of the deer woods, but wouldn't it be nice if your children didn't have to worry about being mowed down by an assault weapon when they turn the corner?"

After the mayors' reflexive applause receded, Clinton continued, this time speaking more broadly than in reference to gun control alone. "[W]e're now in a position to begin again," he said. "It's not a leftward movement. It's a forward, communitarian movement." Communitarianism is a movement that considers individualism an impediment to society uniformly adopting values the movement considers appropriate, including authoritarian gun control. For example, the Communitarian Network platform states "there is little sense in gun registration. What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament of the kind that exists in practically all democracies."
Mr. Clinton did not treat the mayors to a longwinded explanation of the communitarian ideal, nor did he explain that the Brady Campaign no longer advocates merely the reimposition of the Clinton-era ban. Instead, like the Violence Policy Center and Legal Community Against Violence, Brady advocates a much broader federal ban, such as California's or the one proposed by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), which would ban guns made to comply with the 1994 ban (by omitting one or more attachments, such as a flash suppressor), all semi-automatic shotguns, the Ruger Mini-14, the .30 Carbine, the M1 Garand, and other categories of guns and gun parts not affected by the 1994 ban.
Mr. Clinton also praised President Obama's selection of Hillary Clinton as his Secretary of State, a position in which Mrs. Clinton could lend support to international efforts to impose gun prohibitions domestically.
It's going to be an interesting four years, to say the least.
 
Of course, we, in a class action lawsuit, can sue Clinton for conspiring to violate our civil rights, along with those mayors.
Maybe we'd get some of that Chinese money he sold his ass to get after being impeached.
 
We need to tell him and everyone that uses sentences like this
What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament of the kind that exists in practically all democracies."
, that this is not a democracy, we are a Republic...not the rule of the community, but the rule of law.
 
I support disarming proven bad guys.


1) But it would be preaching to the choir to rant that Bill Clinton made a stupid statement about "...over what is the best way to keep the American people safe." No, that makes the American people less safe.

2) Or this: "...but wouldn't it be nice if your children didn't have to worry about being mowed down by an assault weapon when they turn the corner?" Sure, it would be nice, but what is your definition of "assault weapon"? Also, people aren't routinely mowed down by long guns (be it full auto or semi-auto) but with handguns in criminals' hands. Why not disarm criminals instead?

3) "It's not a leftward movement. It's a forward, communitarian movement." Clever play on words that is nothing but emotional. It's not a forward movement but a backward one. It's only forward in the way that it's forward moving closer to tyranny.

[/preaching to the choir over]
 
Bill Clinton is undermining Barack Obama when he does this.

I'm sure he knows it.

I don't doubt that the Clintons have designs on the White House in 2012.

See, by doing this, he's trying to force Obama into another overreach and basically a nosedive. Clinton has to know what AWB 94 cost him politically. He's no idiot.

Obama's cabinet appointments are an embarrassment. The "stimulus" is becoming a debacle. All Bill Clinton has to do is sucker Obama into doing a few more things, like pushing for gun bans, and Obama's done. I figure Obama will be Carter II within two years, definitely 4. But Bill's not so patient.

Bill Clinton doesn't inherently give a crap about guns, or anything else but his own power.

That doesn't mean he wouldn't push for a ban. I'm just saying that we need to look behind the curtain, to fully understand what's going on.
 
Bill should stick to having affairs, not taking about stuff he knows nothing about.

To say that Bill Clinton doesn't know what he's talking about could be a very dangerous mistake. These people aren't stupid, they have an agenda and they know exactly what they want.

If you read carefully Bill made some very telling comments I.E

Communitarianism is a movement that considers individualism an impediment to society uniformly adopting values the movement considers appropriate,

Thus, individualism, with it's attendant emphasis on personal liberty, is undesirable and the movement (the state?) decides what values are appropriate. As a side note, what if "the movement" decides the values you're teaching your children aren't " appropriate"?

And

Including authoritarian gun control.

I'm sorry, in this context I see "authoritarian" as absolutely synonymous with "Totalitarian"

What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament

There's the goal clearly spelled out they want you (us) disarmed and subservient to "the movement"

Thinking that Clinton is just some educated Bubba who does his thinking with his pecker is one of the most foolish things a person could do.
 
[2) Or this: "...but wouldn't it be nice if your children didn't have to worry about being mowed down by an assault weapon when they turn the corner?" Sure, it would be nice, but what is your definition of "assault weapon"? Also, people aren't routinely mowed down by long guns (be it full auto or semi-auto) but with handguns in criminals' hands. Why not disarm criminals instead?

Because the left doesn't believe in criminals, and they don't believe in harsh punishment. They believe that people are just misunderstood and need rehabilitation. We, the honest law-abiding gun owners, are the real criminals who own guns for the "misunderstood" to steal and use against the rest of the community.

They believe in protecting every right possible for criminals, while stripping rights away from the law-abiders.
 
Why do we keep analyzing this crap? We already know. There is enough proof out there already. Sitting here on our computers venting about it is exactly what is expected. Action is needed, NOW, before it is too late! For crying out loud, if we were the ones here in the 1700s, the revolution would have never been fought. We all would have just sat there paying our taxes, going to work, complaining to each other, too worried about ourselves to do anything. I for one am more worried about the future generations(my children, their children, your children) to give half a crap about the hardship I may face here and now. Do you think that when the laws are passed and action is taken, that we will stand a chance? Do you think that the political machine you call the NRA is really going to be an effective weapon against this? I'm sorry to say it, but they are just another money grubbing special interest group that will sell you out at the ring of the till. Why isn't there a television campaign out there informing the public about some of the actual facts, like the one in Canada? Watching all this happen right under our noses, while we do for all intents and purpose, NOTHING, saddens me deeply. I pray for the future, that they will be more courageous than we.
 
I really wonder if I should even post on this here thread. Is this a political thread? Have the mods granted us a boon? It is the Saturday night afore the full moon after all.
 
but wouldn't it be nice if your children didn't have to worry about being mowed down by an assault weapon when they turn the corner?

Where the hell do these children live? Ethiopia? That doesn't happen in the US.
 
Sorry, one more thing.

What is the deal, really? I mean, are we so worried about breaking an unjust and unlawful set of rules, that we are just going to stand by and gripe about the real rule book being taken away? We all sound and act like we care, but in essence, I think the vast majority of us are just a bunch of armchair quarterbacks imagining what we would do if we were in charge.
 
The American revolution didn't begin until all lawful and peaceful means of rectifying the problems had been exausted, and the Brtish had actually moved to disarm the colonists. We haven't reached that point ... yet.

If even 1% of gun owners in America were to resort to force of arms the government would be hard pressed to contain it. personally, I think far more than that number would respond if there was any serious attempt to disarm America. Do you truly believe that all the people who spent the last 3 months buying every AR and all the ammunition in sight would simply hand it all in?

I believe that the recent run on guns & ammunition sent a crystal clear message to Washington. and I think they read it loud and clear.
 
I believe that the recent run on guns & ammunition sent a crystal clear message to Washington. and I think they read it loud and clear.

I disagree. Washington has an agenda, this will not dissuade them from that agenda.
 
The cards are on the table. Look at them. It will not be a boat full of guys in red coats coming to get your guns. It is a systematic step by step process. Tiny baby steps. The vast majority of the guys buying all the ARs and ammo they can get are doing so under the presumption that they will get to keep them. Just like the last ban. This is not true. Look at the Clinton era ban as sort of a training exercise. Not for them but for us. Just because something takes a long time to happen, doesn't mean it is ok or right or won't. Take all of the pieces of this puzzle and lay them out in front of you. They don't even need to be assembled to get the big picture, just look at the box!
 
The nice thing about all of this is that when someone like ex-president Clinton gets among his own kind he runs off at the mouth and comes out and says what he really thinks.

For that I thank him. :what:

Because he has neatly laid his, and Obama's and the Democrat Party's agenda on the table, and done so in plain English.

Clinton continued, this time speaking more broadly than in reference to gun control alone. "[W]e're now in a position to begin again," he said. "It's not a leftward movement. It's a forward, communitarian movement."

Communitarianism is a movement that considers individualism an impediment to society uniformly adopting values the movement considers appropriate, including authoritarian gun control. For example, the Communitarian Network platform states "there is little sense in gun registration. What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament of the kind that exists in practically all democracies."

If that doesn't make things clear, I don't know what it would take to do so.

The founding fathers of this country that won our independence and later established the Republic, were champions of individualism. The entire Bill of Rights is based on that.

So the battle is now joined, and the issues should be understood.
 
Lesson: A leopard doesn't change it's spots. A lesson which seems to have been forgotten for those many gun owners who are fans of BHO.
 
OK, I agree that the worst case is certainly a possibility. Looks more likely everday that an ban may occur. As previous posters have mentioned they can just tax us to death, suspend licenses, revoke car registrations, etc until we give up our guns. In my circumstance I would have to give them up because I have a family to support. Would there be financial compensation? I've spent easily 5 grand on guns and accessories. What about all the cleaning supplies, tools, and accessories that would then be useless to me? Compensation for those? What are you guys going to do if a program was put in place to confiscate your guns? Yeah, I know, my boat sank etc etc. I agree with Rockwell 1 that these guys are not stupid. They got the presidency, almost total control of house and senate, they can get our guns. The single most powerful man in the world hates guns, we should be very afraid. And if your boat sank and then you were caught with one you would be facing 10 years in a federal prison. That would give me pause.
 
But but even Clinton said that the first AWB caused the Dems to loose re-election so they would never try that again...right?
 
It does not matter if it happens tomorrow, or 20 years from now, it IS going to happen. NOW is the time to stop it. If a child is walking out into a busy street and you see it, do you wait until he gets hit by a car before you act? No, I didn't think so.
 
I hope that welfare check is worth the 2nd amendment rights we are going to give up for it. Yep. 20 pieces of silver has been used to kill things better that this republic. People sell their soul for that amount much less needed for their freedom. I am very unhappy with the way things are going. But, I realize the train we are on and where the majority in this country will ride it too.
 
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