Ohio Legislature passed Concealed Carry Reform

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I agree with Monkeyleg and BAB's assessment, but I think that will probably head to a test case. Especially with the attitude of the Ohio Highway Patrol.

Is there anyway to get the fulltext of the bill?
 
Sounds like the legislature part of the process might have done a fairly good job of getting it right. The car section of the bill sounds dramatically improved. From the text of the article it sounds like you don't even have to uncover as long as it stays in a holster (as it should be). Of course, this is all a moot point if Daft vetoes and we can't convince our reps and senators to do the right thing and over-ride...still too early to celebrate, but I'm much happier with this version than with the senate version. Still not too thrilled about the public access part, but that is something that can be reasonably be worked on later.

Mark
 
Doesn't that "Highway Shooter" know that car car carry is illegal? I can't believe that a murderous criminal would break the law like that after he knew Taft didn't like it...........doesn't he have any respect? Good thing all those gun happy family-man types don't have guns in their cars to fire back at the "Shooter", they might violate his rights as a criminal, and Taft would have to call in the ACLU.:fire:




This is is the very thing that keeps me from spending any more money in Ohio than I have to.
 
Ohio gets a new governor next year...Taft is term limited out after the 2004 election...he's not eligible to run again...and we won't miss him!
 
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I read that sentence as saying that the gun must be holstered, or be in the plain view of the permit holder, or in a locked compartment or case. In other words, not just tucked under the seat.
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I'm an Ohio resident and this requirement doesn't seem too unreasonable to me, it can easily be changed at a later date and most likely will be. I'm still in shock that the legislature did what they did, a pro-gun law like this just hasn't been all that common these past 30 years. Has anyone checked their water supply?
 
Latest update: Taft will veto - Senate will not be able to override the veto. Taft shafts us again.
 
Here is the text of my email to Taft. I tried to be respectful but also let him know we'd be watching.

"Dear Governor Taft,

I am writing to express my hope that you will sign into law the recently passed bill concerning the right of the people of Ohio to carry concealed weapons.

I want to take a minute of your time to express why I support this bill.

Two years ago, my wife and I adopted a baby boy from out of state. The birth mother was supportive of the adoption. The birth father was not and fought the proceeding in court. He did not prevail and our adoption finalized after 17 months of court and lawyers. Not content with the outcome, this man, with a criminal record of violence and drug use has now made specific threats to "come and get his son". It would not be hard for him to find out where we live, and he has shown a disregard for court orders, which lead us to believe a restraining order would be worthless.

While I do not go through every day in fear, there are days and moments when circumstance merit increased awareness.

This bill would provide my wife and I the ability to legally possess the means of defending our family away from our home if the circumstances ever merited it.

Governor Taft, we live in a safe town and a good neighborhood. However, there are times and circumstances where it is a necessary part of the stewardship my wife and I have been intrusted with as the heads of our family, that we must consider being prepared to protect each other and our little son.

Please allow us the freedom to be responsible parents and citizens. As data from surrounding states shows, concealed carry works. Data shows that accidents with firearms do not increase and crime against people does decrease.

Thank you for your time. We wish to encourage you to sign this bill into law, and will remember you actions in this matter.

Respectfully,

xxxxx"

Please bombard this man with any data or oppinions to let him know we want this!

--usp_fan
 
Can we have a reality check here? What business is it of the cops if they pull me over whether or not I have something? You know what happens when you tell the police that you have a firearm in the car? They treat the stop the same way they treat a FELONY stop. So you run a red light, and because you choose to exercise your constitutional rights, you are out of the car, hands on your head, face down in the slush, while everyone who drives by sees you like that and Officer Not-So-Damn-Friendly has his foot on your neck, pistol pointed at your head.
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Really? I've done stops where people had guns in the car, and we sure didn't treat them this way. Of course, I've also done stops where people did have guns in the car and we did treat them this way, too. All depends on how you get to that point.

Simple fact of the matter, right now CCW is illegal in the Buckeye. Once it (God willing) becomes legal, there will be a lot more police interaction with legally armed citizens. Naturally, there will be some teething problems in developing this interaction, both on the part of LE and on the part of the CCW holders. One of the best aspects of a training requirement is that it provides the opportunity to place LE and CCW holders on the same page as far as what to expect on a traffic stop, or any other encounter. Now, if only they grasp this opportunity... :rolleyes:

Well, lets see what happens with Shaft. You know, I really detest this man.

Mike
 
I think the language is in a vehicle the gun must be holstered AND in plain view or in a locked box or glove box. Something to that effect.
 
From: http://www.ofcc.net/

House Bill 12, as reported by the Conference Committee, is on its way to Governor Bob Taft's desk.

No matter what you've heard or read, there is still a chance Taft will NOT veto this legislation. His office is taking calls on the subject.

Ohioans For Concealed Carry, the National Rifle Association and the Citizens Committeee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms are calling on the Governor to sign this Act.

Governor Taft's phone number is 614-466-3555.
 
Question: If a city has an ordinance prohibiting the carrying of loaded firearms in vehicles, does that trump the new legislation (if it becomes law)?
I assume it does, but I'm not sure.
 
I hope HB 12 never sees the light of day

I may be in the minority here, but I think HB 12 is absolute rubbish. I mean, come on... why do you need to pay a fee and get a permit to practice an inalienable right? Why do you have to submit fingerprints? Social security number? Background check? I’m surprised they’re not requesting DNA samples.

And to make matters worse, HB 12 eliminates the current law's "prudent person" affirmative defense! What the hell?!

In other words, I would rather have the current law than HB 12. So I hope Taft vetoes it. I hope HB 12 never sees the light of day.

Let me explain...

We do not need the government’s permission to buy, sell, carry, transport, or use any firearm. And a permit system is just that – permission. Likewise, I do not need the government’s permission to practice religion, print a newspaper, own land, or peacefully assemble.

The right to keep and bear arms is an inherent, inalienable, God-given right. It does not depend on government for its existence. You do not need the government’s permission to exercise this right. Always remember: You are the master, the government is the servant.

So suffice to say, I will not ask the government “permission†to practice this God-given right. Such an act would be treasonous to God, in my opinion. I don’t know about you, but I think slapping God in the face is a wee bit risky...
 
Molon Labe: You make good points and I agree with them. I have great reservations about applying for a CCW..for several reasons. As an earlier poster stated - we will most likely be on a public list very much like sex offenders. Will every School Principal, Human Resources Director, etc. routinely scan those lists looking for "crazies"? Will the "Other Paper" publish the list periodically? There's a lot not to like.


That being said...can I borrow your guns while your in prison...and maybe have them if your deemed a felon? ;)
 
Fellow Buckeyes. You and I know Gov. Tax will not sign anything related to concealed carry. I wish he stayed in Cincinnati, Kentucky in an office somewhere with no authority.
 
Calling now. Going to make a point of having an open list of CCW's is a shopping list to the bad guys......With that in place, the badguys could hit those peoples houses when they are not home KNOWING that there will be guns there.

Art
 
I tried...The office closed at 5:00. Will have to call on Monday.
Don't give up you guys, keep the calls going......


Art
 
Molon Labe, as the "leader" of a pro-CCW group here in Wisconsin, I get dozens of emails from people expressing the same view as yours. And I agree.

That said, the reality is that carrying in violation of state law has consequences. If arrested, we can repeat "Second Amendment" over and over as often as we want in court, but it won't make a difference.

The other reality is a political one. Only two states provide for carrying concealed without a permit. Even the most pro-gun states such as Idaho, Utah, Wyoming and Montana require permits.

Alaska got Vermont-style carry the same way that we can win every other gun issue, and the same way that the anti's have taken rights away from us: incrementally.

Get a permit system in Ohio (and Wisconsin) today, fix the flaws over the next couple of years, then work to eliminate the permit requirement.

Or carry without a permit and take your chances.
 
We need this bill to become law and then fight to change it. That's what happened in other states and if we don't get it through this time it will be years before we get another chance. I'm not happy with everything in the bill and at one time thought the public records issue was enough to deter me from getting a permit. But, I have medical problems that limit my upper body strength and have no way to defend my wife and children if attacked away from home. To me the downside to this bill isn't enough to hope it fails. If we don't accept it now we may never get another chance.

Feel free to dissent, that is your right. I called the Governor and asked him to sign the bill. I couldn't live with myself knowing I openly opposed this bill and then some girl near OSU gets raped because she was scared to carry an illegal gun.
 
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