OK, that's it. I am done!

[Brutuskend]

Buying BP pistols.


Maybe.

Right....
I was toying with the idea of buying a 1862 NYMP pistol but I couldn't find anyone who had them in stock.
Today I went by the gun works in Springfield to pick something up ( that they didn't have ) and mentioned that I was looking for a pocket police and lo and behold, they had 3 uberti's in stock. So I am now the proud owner of one.

This is also my first uberti. I AM LIKING it!!

 

[brewer12345]

Unless the scale is deceiving, you must need an awfully large pocket...

 

[Brutuskend]

Unless the scale is deceiving, you must need an awfully large pocket...

My mistake. I thought they called it a pocket police.
They don't.

Or at least Uberti doesn't call it that.

 

[Brutuskend]

For those who may not be familiar with the 1862 police, here it is next to one of my 1860 .44 army models.

 

[rodwha]

Hmmm... Always thought they were called a Pocket model as well, same as the Pocket Navy 1/2 brother.

 

[Tommygunn]

People did have bigger pockets back then. They didn't have credit cards!!!!

 

[Brutuskend]

True, and even the paper money was HUGE back then!

 

[Sistema1927]

In my opinion, the 1862 Police is the pinnacle of black powder revolvers.

 

[dickydalton]

1862 With Holsters

• dickydalton
• May 20, 2018

2 1862s

• dickydalton
• Apr 4, 2018

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• dickydalton
• Mar 25, 2018

You might say that I like the 1862's.

 

[dickydalton]

My mistake. I thought they called it a pocket police.
They don't.

They had Pocket Navies and Pocket Police.

 

[StrawHat]

The Pocket 36 were the culmination of advances in metallurgy and design. The same process that made the 1860 possible was adapted to the 1848, 31 caliber frame to produce the Pocket Navy and the Pocket Police Models.

I have a few and find them enjoyable.

Kevin

 

[Dave T]

Given the similarities of design between the 1860 and this 1862 as shown in post #4, it's a wonder they didn't call it the Baby Army, or Baby 1860. Like the did with the Baby Dragoon.

Dave

 

[gobsauce]

True, and even the paper money was HUGE back then!

Completely Irrelevant to the rest of the thread, but I've been collecting paper money for roughly 14 yeas: Today, that type of paper money is referred to as "Horse Blanket". it's a general term for bigger-sized currency, but it began when referring to ( Correct me if I'm wrong) the 1923 Silver $1 Banknote. Just a fun fact I suppose.

dickydalton , Did you, by any chance and out of sheer curiosity, make any of those holsters yourself?

 

[dickydalton]

Completely Irrelevant to the rest of the thread, but I've been collecting paper money for roughly 14 yeas: Today, that type of paper money is referred to as "Horse Blanket". it's a general term for bigger-sized currency, but it began when referring to ( Correct me if I'm wrong) the 1923 Silver $1 Banknote. Just a fun fact I suppose.

dickydalton , Did you, by any chance and out of sheer curiosity, make any of those holsters yourself?

No Sir I didn't. I got them from Dell's Leatherworks and have a few more of them along with more Colts!

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Perhaps "pocket" was just a term to indicate a smaller, or downsized pistol, (like "pocket battleship" or "pocket submarine") and wasn't meant to suggest it was actually meant to be carried in a pocket, although one could easily do so in the big over coats that were in use at the time. ? Seems it would be much more comfortable to carry it in a holster, or even just IWB. And except for very cold weather, I'm not sure anyone would want to wear one of them big giant overcoats. Anyhow....yeah, I want one.

 

[expat_alaska]

The original Colt Pocket revolver .31 caliber started with the 1848 Pocket Model with a squareback trigger guard, short frame/short forcing cone. It was soon superseded with the 1849 Pocket Model which had a longer frame/barrel forcing cone and a round trigger guard. Colt was not picky about what parts fit either revolver for historical purposes, hence there are some 1848 models that had a round trigger guard, and some 1849 models with a squareback trigger guard, early on.



The 1862 Pocket Police/Pocket Navy revolvers were produced using the Pocket frame that had the water table cut for a .36 caliber rebated cylinder like Colt used with the 1860 Army on the cut Navy frame.



The 1847 Walker/1848 Dragoon .44 (in four flavors) were considered "holster" pistols, which meant they were to be carried in holsters on the saddle pommel of a horse for cavalry purposes. In 1850 Colt designed the 1851 Navy .36 as a "belt" pistol to be worn on the person, not the horse. The same term was applied to the 1860 Colt Army .44 and the 1861 Navy .36.

All terms are relative to the revolver size.

These are scans from Pate's book The Colt Model 1860 Army Revolver showing Colt Army contracts (in 1859/1860) that specify "holster" pistols [the excess 1848 Dragoon 3rd Model revolvers with shoulder stocks (one stock per two revolvers)] that Colt was trying to get rid of in preparation for his introduction of the 1860 Army .44 revolver, and the "belt" pistols refer to his stocks of 1851 Navy revolvers.

The arrows are mine.





I hope this clears up any misperceptions.

Regards,

Jim

 

[Brutuskend]

Thanks for the history lesson!

 

[grter]

Pocket model of Navy Caliber (both police and pocket navy) as per Cap and Ball youtube video. The one I handled now appears to be in working order with corrected greased arbor and some file work. It has no cap guard/post manhattan modification. I noticed a youtube video where another mainspring was installed on top the already installed mainspring that seemed to have significantly lowered the instance of cap jams. The mainspring screw is long enough to hold both one on top of the other.

I wonder if the older 19th century pocket revolvers had stiffer mainsprings than the current replicas.

 

[Steel Hayes]

Hmmm... Always thought they were called a Pocket model as well, same as the Pocket Navy 1/2 brother.

To qualify as a pocket revolver, it only has 5 shots instead of 6.

 

[expat_alaska]

To qualify as a pocket revolver, it only has 5 shots instead of 6.

Incorrect, sir. Colt made many 1849 Pocket .31 6-shot revolvers in the 1860's with 4", 5", and 6" barrels with load levers. Your statement is true concerning the Colt 1862 Pocket Police and Pocket Navy .36 revolvers.

Regards,

Jim

 

[grter]

To qualify as a pocket revolver, it only has 5 shots instead of 6.

I think with the better quality steel "Silver Steel" Colt was able to make larger calibers with smaller frames and cylinders that can fit into pockets. The relatively weak .31 caliber pocket revolver was Colts best seller overall and among the civilian population. Small portable multi shot pistols were highly desired by the general public.

The pocket models of Navy Caliber was Colt's evolution of the .31 pocket model into something more potent as well as the latest evolution overall of their cap and ball revolvers. They probably would have been even better sellers but the introduction of cartridge guns including revolvers was right around the corner and cartridge firearms became the new standard for obvious reasons.

They did convert a lot of pocket models into cartridge guns.