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[jtprevatte]

I have searched high and low before posting this and could not find a place so I thought I would post it here and if it needs to go somewhere else then the moderators could help out.

I have a question....

I currently have to handguns. One is a 4" Springfield XD 9, the other is a Taurus PT 111 Millenium Pro (bought the Taurus for the wife).

I am deadly accurate with the XD 9 but when it comes to shooting the Taurus.....I am TERRIBLE!

I have adjusted my grip, my sighting, my stance.....EVERYTHING!

Can somebody tell me how to change or what is the problem?

I know they are different all together and they are different in size etc....but I should be somewhat accurate......I either hit low and left or off the target. I keep a good sight picture, concentrate on the front sight, correct my stance and still.......TERRIBLE.

The good thing is she is deadly accurate with it......but I hate having a gun that I cannot shoot......if she didn't like it soooo much it would be up for sale!

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[torpid]

Does your wife shoot your XD okay?

If so, I'd get some pointers from her on how she is shooting the Mil Pro.

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[Amish_Bill]

Some guns just don't fit some hands.

 

[Lou629]

IMHO, some guns just work a little better or a little worse depending on the different sets of eyes & hands that happen to be using them at the moment.

 

[Jim Watson]

1. The only PT I have handled had a tough trigger pull, you are not making the transition from the XD and are yanking the PT.

2. Leave HER gun alone.

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

With me I always find the problem to be the handle...if it is the wrong fit for my hand or has the wrong angle it messes me up.

 

[jtprevatte]

Does your wife shoot your XD okay?

If so, I'd get some pointers from her on how she is shooting the Mil Pro.

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NOPE...she is like me with the Taurus.......think the XD spoiled me?

 

[jtprevatte]

Some guns just don't fit some hands.

It has a great feel.....but seems as though I can only get a good hit if I point and shoot...aiming makes me miss alot with the Taurus....

 

[jtprevatte]

1. The only PT I have handled had a tough trigger pull, you are not making the transition from the XD and are yanking the PT.

2. Leave HER gun alone.

LOL.....I bought it.....for her...so technically it is my gun...hahaha.

But dang she is good with it...I am not......if she didn't like it soooo much it would get traded for a XD 9 SUB

 

[jtprevatte]

With me I always find the problem to be the handle...if it is the wrong fit for my hand or has the wrong angle it messes me up.

Hmmmmmm...good point....maybe I should do a side by side comparison of them to determine if there is a difference.

The bad thing is I wanted it for my CCW....smaller, lighter....but I guess I am going to have to carry my 4"er....NO JOKES ABOUT THAT...LOL

 

[cambeul41]

Trigger control

The only PT I have handled had a tough trigger pull, you are not making the transition from the XD and are yanking the PT.

My wife has a PT 111ti that I am medium terrible with for exactly the reason above. She has the better trigger control. What she doesn't like about the Taurus is the take down reassembly process, so it is for sale and is to be replaced with a Glock 26 or an XD-9 as a companion to her Glock 23. The difference in caliber is intentional so that she can shoot either 9 mm or .40 caliber depending on availability.

 

[joebogey]

Low and left may mean you're jerking the trigger rather than pulling in a smooth manner.
Just a thought...

 

[Thefabulousfink]

^^^^Also look at how your finger rests on the trigger of the PT. Due to the different sizes, you may be inadvertently wraping more of your finger around the trigger which would cause you to jerk it.

I don't know your ability or shooting style, but some people tend to just put their finger on the trigger where it is comfortable. While they may learn to shoot one type of gun well that way, it causes problems when switching to a different type of gun. Try placeing (if you don't allready) just the pad of your finger on the trigger and concentrate on a smooth trigger pull.

If this dosen't help then I would assume it to be a grip/ size of hand problem....Or the gun just has an irrational dislike for you.

 

[MechAg94]

I can see that for me as well. I am more accurate with my P14.45 than I am with my single stack 1911's. I guess might be how I am pulling the trigger. I'll have to work on that.

I'll second the notion that you shouldn't mess with the gun if your wife is good with it. You'll change something, your wife will get worse with it and she will make you buy a whole nother gun.

 

[BigRobT]

It might be Taurus' lack of high quality and loose tolerances. I have a PT100 (40 S&W) that I am just terrible with. The barrel wobbles in the slide when it is in battery. I don't seem to have that problem with my H&K USP or my cheap Witness 10MM (my carry gun). All 3 guns seem to fit me well.

I returned the Taurus to the factory. They "adjusted" the barrel AND

Sent it back with a target they allegedly fired at with the gun. The barrel STILL wobbles in battery. I compared that to another Taurus(PT92FS) and it wobbled, too. I then compared it to a similar Beretta, no wobble, hmmmm. I have yet to take it back to the range, but probably tomorrow night I will. Right now, I think I wished I had opted for another USP or a Beretta.

 

[jtprevatte]

Well like I said.....

If I had my way I would trade the thing for a XD 9 sub.....like I wanted in the first place.

BUT...we were buying a gun for her and this fit her hand....and she IS good with it......

I REALLY like the XD's.........so I now have a wish list for the future.....

BUT I am concerned that the XD SUB will have the same problem as I have never fired one before...I am starting to wonder if it is the shorter grip that is causing the problem.....

Like I said.....I am DEADLY with the XD 9 4" barrel......no more than a 2" group at 25'...............but the Taurus.......jeez........its like I am not even pointing at the target............

 

[foghornl]

Some firearms just don't 'fit' certain hands well.

I happen to think that Glock, Springfield XD's, etc are good pistols...but they do not fit me well. . . . .Something about if said gun was a bass fiddle, wouldn't be able to hit a bull elephant in the butt with it.

Now, give me a standard-sized GI 1911-A1...LOOK OUT!

 

[Sport45]

2. Leave HER gun alone.

+1

How would you like it if she started talking about the need to sell the Springfield to buy another Taurii. Sounds like you bought it after you were married, so it's community property and not technically "yours".

All kidding aside, you may just be used to the trigger on "yours". Try this. Leave the Springfield at home on your next trip to the range. Try the taurus for two or three targets and see if the groups don't tighten up a bit. I have noticed anytime I take more than one handgun (always), it takes severel targets before my hand and mind start to sync with the new trigger when changing from one gun to the next. I was convinced I couldn't shoot my P226 until I tried it all by itself. The trigger was just so much different from my 1911 I couldn't shoot it after laying down the .45.

 

[Jkwas]

Had the same problem

I shoot a 357 snub revolver and a ruger p89. Got the mil pro for my wife, and she's annie oakley with it. I was shooting low and left I use the crease, or joint of my finger to shoot. I tried shooting with the tip of my finger and fixed everything! It seems like you need to press the trigger more like a revolver than like an auto. Try it, you'll see! As far as take down goes, I learned a trick. Pull the slide back and lock it. Turn the lever on the takedown pin down. Slowly release the slide forward a hair, and then lock it back. The takedown pin pops out about 1/4in for easy removal. ease the slide forward, then pull the trigger. This allows the slide to come off. When you re-assemble, lock the slide back, point the barrel at the floor. This aligns the barrel/slide/frame for the pin. Push the pin into the frame with it's normal orientation(3 o'clock). It snaps in place and you're done!
Granted, it's not as easy as a P89, but what is! I love the milpro. I may have to get another for myself!

 

[jtprevatte]

Range Target

Ok....if I can figure this out.....

Here is a target from the range the other day.....

The red circle is the XD 9

The blue Circle is the Taurus

The distance is about 30 feet, indoor range, WWB 115grain ball ammo



There are two that I forgot to put the blue ring around.

I am all over the place with this Taurus

 

[SwampWolf]

I'm going to agree with some of the previous posters and blame the trigger/trigger pull. Last summer, my brother bought a new Taurus Mil. Pro in 9mm and, initially, we both could not get any acceptable groups from the pistol-over a sandbag rest! I've shot guns all my life, much of it in competition. My brother, on the other hand, is not "into" guns/shooting like I am, so (rightly) he tended to blame the bad shooting on himself while I was critical of the gun. I'm used to fine trigger pulls as found routinely on some 1911s and good revolvers. I despised the Pro's long, rough trigger pull and decided I'd never be able to shoot it accurately.

However, an interesting situation developed over time: the more my brother shot the gun, the better he got with it and now can be counted on to hang up some pretty good groups on a regular basis. I'm now of the opinion that, as bad as the Pro's trigger pull might be (and I understand this position is strictly subjective in nature), lots of practice offers increased familiarity with the trigger and can overcome what I consider to be an intrinsically poor design.

By the way, everything else about this pistol has been good, including the reliability (the most important criteria), the handling and the general ergonomics. The only other thing I'd like to see changed would be having a stronger magazine release spring-the stock one seems to be way too susceptible to being prematurely launched.