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Old Gun, Junk Gun?

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Speedo66

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I was at a friends house yesterday when a friend of his shows up and asks what he could do with an old gun he had discovered in his mother's belongings.

He opens a plastic supermarket bag and there surrounded by cartridges is the gun in question. As he pulls it out I recognize it for a Remington style derringer, minus all finish in gray.

I ask to see it, open it to be sure it's unloaded, and look closely at it. There in tiny letters on the little narrow rib on top of the barrels is written "Remington Arms,Ilion NY." OK, so it's an actual Remington, not a knockoff. I look in the barrels and see next to nothing as far as rifling, corrosion has taken it's toll. The lever that latches the barrels is a little loose, not confidence inspiring.

The grips are in good shape, and the exterior is not rusted or pitted. At the top hinge, there is brass solder on either side, evidently the hinge was weak or had actually broken at one time.

I don't see any indication of caliber on the gun, but the bore looks too small to be a .44. In the bag I pick out a cartridge, .38Spl., it drops right into the barrel. I caution the owner never to fire a .38Spl. in the gun, too powerful, and look at the other cartridges. Aside from another .38Spl, the other 10 or so are .38 S&W.

My take is that with the loose latch and the repaired hinge, the gun's shooting life is over, and tell the owner that. He looks at my friend and asks what he should do with it, clean it, reblue it, or what? I say what little collector value there was would disappear if he touched the finish. Clean it, oil it, and display it, but don't shoot it.

What say the gurus of The High Road?
 
It sounds like a Remington #3 in .41 rimfire. Definitely a keeper. And don't dare touch that finish. Even in bad shape, it should have some value. Wait until the real experts here wake up and see this post.
(edited to add) And there might still be usable rifling inside, if only for visual satisfaction at this point. The .41 rimfire was a fat and greasy naked lead slug, so you may be looking at fouling that hides the remaining rifling. Give it a good (but gentle) scrubbing and see.
 
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I have a coffee table with a glass top that displays things placed in a drawer. I would stick it in there for looks if it was mine, or just put it in a shadow box.
 
Did a little research and it looks like, as RedlegRick noted, it's .41 short rimfire caliber, a Remington model 95, made from 1866 right up until 1935. The cartridges were last made in a batch by Navy Arms in 2000, they seem to be selling for over $200 a box of 50. Vintage ammo in original boxes can go as high as $650 a box.

Someone makes a kit with a cartridge case where you insert a .22 blank to act as the primer, but the kit is pricey, too. Looks like even if the gun was in excellent shape, due to the price of the ammo it would still be a display piece.

Another thing I noted when I looked at it the other day was the high amount of pressure it took to cock the gun. I don't know if this was typical of the model, or just this particular gun. It also had a half cock position. From what I read, most of the damages to the hinge was not caused by firing but by flipping the barrels when opening. The barrels open up and back from the top.

Interesting piece, but due to condition and cost of ammo, I'm going to refrain from making an offer on it.

Here's a Wiki article on the gun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_95
 
That’s a cool looking gun.
If I were you and I had the money and the price is right I’d definitely get it for a wall display. It’s Too cool to not be appreciated.
 
Definitely a wallhanger. I can see it on a shadowbox on a green felt surface with some vintage style playing cards and dice. Aces and eights would be cool. And I realize now the Remington 3 was a .22 revolver.
 
yep, the cracked knuckle is usually from flipping the gun open.

They were notoriously hard to cock. When I was about ten or so one of my Dad's buddies had one and a box of ammo. He said if I could cock it one handed I could have it. Having seen three adult males struggle with cocking the gun in the traditional way I thought about it. I flipped the gun so the barrels were pointed down at the floor in my palm, the grip stood out the top of my fist and pointed forward and my thumb was then against the hammer. I simply pushed the hammer to the cock position then flipped the gun to the correct grip. Dad and Buddy Number Two had a big belly laugh while Remington owning buddy looked on in horror. He then refused to give it to me and Dad backed him up.

I would likely have gotten in trouble with it anyway...…..

Shadow box sounds like a great idea.....maybe some old style playing cards and coinage and or chips or brothel tokens

-kBob
 
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