old rifle ammo

[CajunMan89]

I found three old rifle bullets of my grandfather's. I was hoping that someone could tell me more about them and tell me what gun(s) they may have been used for.

The first has Norma 7.7 Jap on it, the second, Norma Re 7.7 Jap and the third, Winchester 270 WIN.

Since I've never seen any like these, are the calibers 7.7 for the Japs and 270for the Winchester?

I was told that these may have been used from when he served in WWll.


Also if possible, I'd like a link to pictures of the gun(s) used for these.

I'm trying to post a pic of my grandfather's gun with this post. It seems to be a type 99 Jap? I'm not sure.


Any help will be greatly appreciated.

 

[jonnyc]

The Norma rounds are both 7.7x58 Japanese, mainly for the WWII Japanese Type 99 rifle. Your two rounds are post-war commercial. The .270 WIN is a commercial round that could be used in any number of hunting rifles. Search for a Winchester Model 70 for a common example.

 

[2low]

Johnnyc's info for the 7.7 Jap is spot on. To add some further info on the .270 you can first take a look at it's parent cartridge which is the 30-06 "thirty aught six". The 30-06 was actually used in WWII. The 30-06 is so called because the bullet itself was 3 tenths of an inch (30 cal) and it was Developed/produced in 1906, ergo "30-06". FYI, in reality the caliber is three hundred an eight thousandths of an inch, but the military went with the term thirty cal. The 270 is actually just a 30-06 casing necked down to accept a .270 caliber bullet (it is actually a .277 caliber bullet but .270 just had a better sounding name i guess). The 270 was developed in the early 1920s so it was around for WWII, but the standard cartridge for U.S. Troops was the 30-06 (used in the M1 garand, 1903 bolt action rifles, the browning automatic rifle, m1917 & m1919 machineguns, etc...) if i'm not mistaken, i do believe there were a very few rifles chambered for the 270 cartridge used in WWII, but they were nowhere nearly as prevalent as those chambered for the 30-06 cartridge.

In today's wide world of shooting and firearms, the 270 is a very popular cartridge and it is extremely versatile. There is actually another cartridge called the 25-06 which is again just a 30-06 cartridge necked down to accept 25 caliber (quarter bore) bullets. However, the 25-06 is a very zippy little round but due to it's size/weight it is primarily used on varmints.

I hope this info was helpful. The 270 really is a great cartridge. I have a lefthanded Ruger M77 hawkeye chambered in 270 and it is a really flat shooting and useful caliber.

 

[x_wrench]

you have never heard of a 270 winchester? it is one of the more popular chamberings around. very, very common.

 

[WardenWolf]

The .270 is very popular nowadays, but a lot of people aren't aware of it, being more familiar with .30-06 and .308. It's appeal lies in the fact that it's "just right" for deer, without the extra recoil of the heavier rounds. It's especially popular with younger hunters for this reason.

 

[CajunMan89]

you have never heard of a 270 winchester? it is one of the more popular chamberings around. very, very common.

Nope, don't know much about guns or ammo.

 

[pikid89]

one of the great gun writers from the last generation, Jack O'Connor, was a huge proponent of the .270 round
It is very very versatile, able to sling bullets as light as 100 grains, up to about 160grain, with the 130 grain JSP being the standard, and most popular load. The 130 grain load is very flat shooting, with a Max Point blank range of just over 300 yards, meaning sighted 1" high at 100 yards, you will stay within 3" of the sight line at any distance, up to 300 yards without any holdover.
For its power level, the 130gr 270 has a moderate to light recoil depending on the rifle. I shoot it in a light weight Ruger M77 canoe paddle stock, not great for target shooting, but can be carried all day.
Whenever someone asks me what they should get for a general purpose hunting rifle, I always tell them you can't go wrong with the .270...
There are always the new latest and greatest calibers coming out, extolling abilities like faster burn rate or marginally higher velocities or more knockdown power (WSM's, weatherby mags, magnums in general), but I would bet that more game has fallen to the 270 and the 30-06 than all the hot rod magnums combined.

 

[rcmodel]

the military went with the term thirty cal.
but .270 just had a better sounding name i guess).

The military called the 30-06 a .30 caliber because it are one.

The actual bore size is .300".
The groove & bullet size is .308".

Likewise, the .270 Win is a true .27 cal.
The bore size is .270".
The groove & bullet size is .277".

rc

 

[303tom]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_99_Rifle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.270_Winchester

 

[CajunMan89]

The Norma rounds are both 7.7x58 Japanese, mainly for the WWII Japanese Type 99 rifle. Your two rounds are post-war commercial. The .270 WIN is a commercial round that could be used in any number of hunting rifles. Search for a Winchester Model 70 for a common example.

Is it possible to insert a file on here? i have i pic. of my grandfather of when he was in ww2 holding his gun. it does seem to be a WWII Japanese Type 99 rifle, but i'm not 100 percent sure.

 

[WardenWolf]

CajunMan, choose Go Advanced in the Quick Reply box, then choose Manage Attachments. Then you can add the file.