Oleg's picture in the new DC gun brochure

[velobard]

So from that picture they're suggesting that safe gun storage means under a pillow without a holster or any kind of trigger cover???

 

[woo18]

I am surprised that they did not limit the magazine capacity to one (single shot), or limit to 22 caliber or smaller. I hope I am not giving them any ideas.

 

[mec]

I'm surprised they didn't have caliber restrictions because powerful calibers are dangerous. They could have also specified a minimum size limit to keep the people from having really concealable ones.
There is no provision for taking the gun to a range for practice or instruction or to a gunshop for repair.

 

[HankB]

a) Is it legal for DC to charge for that right? After all, voting is a Constitutional right, and poll taxes were thrown out - they can't charge you a fee to cast a ballot, so how can they charge you for exercising another Constitutional right?

If they are charging actual cost then yes... for example you want to have a million man march, you need to get a permit for that. it is perectly fine for them to charge the cost envoled for that, IE street closing, police, etc.. it is not ok for them to make money off of it.

So if on voting day they expect 1000 voters in a district, and the cost is $10,000 to run the election, they can charge each voter $10?

Really?

 

[rocinante]

IIRC Congress can fix anything in D.C. since it is the federal district but choose not to do anything about it. Now that the SCOTUS has spoken they might tell the D.C. guys to cool it. Unlike states D.C. 's authority to self government is granted by the federal government not the other way around.

 

[ctdonath]

Who the heck is oleg? and why are people on here always talking about his pictures.

Oleg Volk owns this website.
His fame in the shooting community revolves largely around his gun-related photos which are usually accompanied with remarkably insightful captions.

So if on voting day they expect 1000 voters in a district, and the cost is $10,000 to run the election, they can charge each voter $10?

You know the difference.
Voting does not get in peoples' way, and is part of the normal operation of government.
Mass protests which shut down sections of infrastructure do get in peoples' way, and is not part of the normal operation of government.
And yes, the voters do largely pay for it by being taxpayers.
Taxpayers do not largely fund the intrusive speech of protesters.

Citizens have a duty to tell the government they have firearms{?!}

Actually, there is legitimate precedent for that. The Militia Act of 1792 - enacted promptly after the 2nd Amendment, and thus an example of what the Founding Fathers had in mind - did require militiamen (able-bodied males 17-45) to inform the local government that they were available and suitably armed.
The point is not letting the gov't limit one's arms, but to inform the gov't that one is ready for combat - both in service of the state, and in opposition to tyrants.

The mags are 8 round mags so there for it does not shoot over 12 rounds without reload.

The DC "machinegun" law uses the word "capable": you may not have >12 round mags, and they may not even exist, but they're not hard to make and the gun would readily accept them. This unlike, say, the legendary "automatic revolver" which is physically limited to 6 rounds, or an SKS with original fixed magazine with a 10 round limit.

 

[dalepres]

Tab and Travis: Maybe they don't want semi-autos because of the garbage collection costs for cleaning up all the brass left on city streets by gangs and other criminals.

 

[akodo]

Pass a 20-question multiple choice test

#1 What number is Officer Jones thinking of?
A:1
B:2
C:3
D:4
#2 what number is Officer Lopez thinking of?
A:1
B:2
C:3
D:4

etc etc

Then of course you can autofail everyone.

 

[Camjr]

I would be fired from my employment if I produced a brochure that was that poorly written and filled with that many mistakes. Unbelievable...:banghead:

 

[Navy joe]

Barring a legal challenge I assume the DC hot set-up will be a .357 Marlin with a 9-10 shot tube and red dot, 627 revolver, and an Ithaca 37 or 870? Better than a few days ago.

 

[dalepres]

Barring a legal challenge I assume the DC hot set-up will be a .357 Marlin with a 9-10 shot tube and red dot, 627 revolver, and an Ithaca 37 or 870? Better than a few days ago.

That's a pretty good setup for anyone. I'd take it. But then, Taurus makes an 8-round .357 revolver.

 

[XLMiguel]

re: revolver vs autoloader - I guess no one in DC has ever seen Jerry Miculek shoot . . .

Once again, we have people who know nothing about firearms trying to make "common sense" gun laws. It is to laugh. From Congress on down, there is no common sense in DC. It would all be pretty comical to watch as they try to sort things out if they weren't such a sorry bunch . . .

FWIW, I grew up in Montgomery Co., MD and lived in NOVA for 29 years before escaping to NM . . .

 

[BDFT]

Welcome to Canada, guys. These are exactly the kind of questions Canadian gunowners ask themselves every day. At least you guys have the Second Amendment, even if you can't agree on what it means.

 

[Sans Authoritas]

"Common-sense gun laws." Another way of saying, "a reasonable restriction on a right." And equally self-contradictory.

-Sans Authoritas

 

[damien]

The Supreme Court said that common ordinary handguns used for defensive purposes are protected. Here is the Chief of Police of the District of Columbia posing with her Glock:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9145315@N02/579335386/

If they won't register a semiautomatic handgun, I think we have lawsuit #2 and it is going to be a slam dunk. They can't possibly argue that semiautomatic handguns are too deadly or dangerous in the context of the existing decision and have to explain pictures like this.

 

[Robert Hairless]

Chief Cathy Lanier is the only one in that city professional enough to have a Glock Forty. If you don't believe it, watch her shoot herself in the foot by attempting again to enforce the District's unconstitutional law.

The most entertaining part of all this is watching District officials waste the taxpayers' money so as to make fools of them and themselves while trying to maintain a position that helps no one except criminals.

I don't see how the criminal element in Washington, DC, manages to get through an entire day of work after laughing at the fools who run the city.

 

[dogmush]

Honestly, I think it'd be more fun (completly undoable, but more fun) if the citizens rolled with this, and forced the police to do it to. Issue the MPD 1851 Navys and some lever guns for their cars. Then when they cry "Wait, we're outgunned by the criminals, we cant protect ourseleves"
The citizens could respond, "Yeah, We know."

Not to mention a good cap and ball revolver is $150. Cheaper for the taxpayers then glocks.

 

[Paragon]

One thing I noticed that I didn't see mentioned is that you have to be 21 to register firearms? Really? Doesn't federal law state 18 year olds can buy rifles and shotguns?

 

[Henry Bowman]

Oh yah Who the heck is oleg? and why are people on here always talking about his pictures.

He owns this site (The High Road). You can see examoles of his work at http://www.a-human-right.com

 

[BullpupBen]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt the main purpose of the "Firearm Owners Protection Act" of 1986 to outlaw the registration of any non-NFA firearms?

 

[mec]

One thing I noticed that I didn't see mentioned is that you have to be 21 to register firearms? Really? Doesn't federal law state 18 year olds can buy rifles and shotguns?

They have their own definitions for everything. No mention of semi auto rifles because they call virtually all of them machinguns. If they can take a magazine holding over 12 rounds, they are a machinegun. The gun owner doesn't have to own such a magazine. All that is necessary is that such a magazine might exist in Pythagorian cosmology.

 

[kd7nqb]

So besides the semi-auto issue and the adding 2inches to shotgun standards did anybody else notice the crazy pricing, essentially $47 to register a single firearm, thats on par with most states CCW permits.

 

[Sebastian the Ibis]

"No one individual or agency working alone can prevent crime"

- That is the dumbest statement I have heard in a long long time. But I suppose it is indicative of their losing mindset and explains their high crime rates.

 

[Seenterman]

WTH?

Shotguns, rifles, and revolvers. However, a shotgun barrel cannot be less than 20 inches in length, and a rifle barrel cannot be less than 16inches in length and must have a total overall length of 26 inches or more. No weapon can shoot more
than one shot by a single function of the trigger, or semi-automatically shoot more than 12 shots without manual reloading or be readily converted or restored to do so.

8. Must not be convicted of any felony, or prostitution- related offense.

Ok WTH does that mean? Cannot shoot more than 12 shot semi automatically? I though all semi autos where banned. What can i register my Glock with postban >=10
round mags??

and just a big "lol" (I really did lol when I read that) on prostitutes and convicted johns cant own a gun in D.C. Does anywhere else in the country have some clause like that in the law? I've never seen one because most prostitution charges are misdimenors.
And what happens if they think they see a loophole because of that clause and create the new catch all gun grabber god clause!?

8. Must not be convicted of any felony, or trafic related related offense.


OMG Where all gonna lose our gunzz!!!

P.S. EDIT: Oh yea shotguns under 20'' barrels are illegal!? Has any of these morons shot a shotgun before I have short arms and long shot guns are uncomfortable !!!!

 

[Librarian]

Ok WTH does that mean? Cannot shoot more than 12 shot semi automatically? I though all semi autos where banned. What can i register my Glock with postban >=10
round mags??

DC says even semi-autos which can fire 13 or more rounds without reloading are 'machine guns'. I can't find the reference, but apparently they believe that any firearm for which a magazine > 12 has ever existed is therefore banned as a machine gun.

ETA found it , at the DCGunCase site:

(10) “Machine gun” means any firearm which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily converted or restored to shoot:
(A) Automatically, more than 1 shot by a single function of the trigger;
(B) Semiautomatically, more than 12 shots without manual reloading.

By implication, a semi-auto for which no magazine exists (commercially, I should think - home brewers are out of bounds) with a capacity over 12 should be fine. So far as I can tell, among common 9mm and .40 cal semi-autos, all have had usable mags > 12. But single-stack .45 cal seems to have at least a few examples of models where mags have been only at 10 or fewer.