The other week I was driving in Indiana from Ohio. I was pulled over by the Indiana state police. He asked to see my license and regitration. Before I moved I informed him that I had a conceal carry permit and that I do have a weapon in my truck. He ran everything [drivers license,insurance,ccw permit,weapon]. Everything was fine. I asked him if I didn't tell him that I had a weapon if he would have known. He said no. So now that I have been pulled over in Indiana and they know that I have a ccw permit am I on their records as have a ccw permit? And did I do the right thing by informing the officer that I had a ccw? Any info/feedback will be appreciated.
on records now?
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Duke Junior
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That's a personal choice since Indiana does not require notifying the officer.Only 10 states do.My home state is one of them.
I never notify unless I'm in a compulsory state.
And the officer did admit that he would not have known about your Ohio CCW.
I seriously doubt you are now tagged with having a CCW in any Indiana record keeping methods.
Even if they did you still don't have to inform in Indiana.
Art Eatman
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I haven't driven in northern states, but generally in the south the cops figure a CHL means you're a Good Guy. That can mean a warning ticket instead of a real ticket, or even nothing more than a BS session about guns.
Edit-add: I can just see two guys rolling around in a borrow ditch, having lost it while arguing about Colt vs. Glock. AR vs. AK vs. Mini.
Edit-add: I can just see two guys rolling around in a borrow ditch, having lost it while arguing about Colt vs. Glock. AR vs. AK vs. Mini.
Speedo66
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Let me ask you this: If you don't notify the cop you're carrying, and he spots it and goes into crisis mode, are you ever going to get those boxers clean?
Safer for you to inform him. As a plus, it gets his thoughts off ticket and onto gun. Can only help you.
Safer for you to inform him. As a plus, it gets his thoughts off ticket and onto gun. Can only help you.
FieroCDSP
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Your home state is Ohio, so it's probably best to stick to the "duty to inform" status we have in Ohio. It hurts no one, costs nothing, sets the cops more at ease, and as pointed out, might get you a warning rather than a fine.
El Tejon
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Hmmm, good question. Do not know if ISP keeps records on you out-of-staters. "Fritz, quick, the secret files."
I'll check it out and report back.
I'll check it out and report back.
Gary Frost
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Shortly after I recieved my CCW I was wondering what would I do if pulled over. I decided I should have a plan for a road side visit.
KS does not have a duty to notify but you can wear yourself slick thinking what if this, what if that, ect.
Then I spied him hidden out in the brush at the bottom of a hill. By golly I'm just going to go ask. I pulled up right next to the drivers side window.
I told him I just recieved my CCW and wanted to hear his opinion on notification. He said that I was not required by law to notify but it would be greatly appreciated if I did.
We spent the next 30 min talking about guns and shooting. He asked what I was carrying, which happened to be my psudo Glock. He wanted to ook at it as he was considering a CFF frame but wasn't going to buy one till he saw one. I unloaded it and passed it over and he examined it at legnth.
When he finished he returned my gun and we parted company.
KS does not have a duty to notify but you can wear yourself slick thinking what if this, what if that, ect.
Then I spied him hidden out in the brush at the bottom of a hill. By golly I'm just going to go ask. I pulled up right next to the drivers side window.
I told him I just recieved my CCW and wanted to hear his opinion on notification. He said that I was not required by law to notify but it would be greatly appreciated if I did.
We spent the next 30 min talking about guns and shooting. He asked what I was carrying, which happened to be my psudo Glock. He wanted to ook at it as he was considering a CFF frame but wasn't going to buy one till he saw one. I unloaded it and passed it over and he examined it at legnth.
When he finished he returned my gun and we parted company.
El Tejon
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O.K., now you have completely confused me.
Was it the Indiana State Police or the Indianapolis Metro Police Department? I thought you said state police and then you say Indianapolis. Which is it? Which department stopped you?
El Tejon
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So, again, was this the Indianapolis Metro Police or the Indiana State Police.
You said state police and then mentioned Indianapolis so I am very confused?
I can call and find out as soon as you clarify.
You said state police and then mentioned Indianapolis so I am very confused?
I can call and find out as soon as you clarify.
Henry Bowman
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Let's assume the Tree Nut (Buckeye) was referring to the Hoosier state as "Indy," rather than the city of Indianapolis, and he meant Indiana State Police.
It's all so confusing to us over here
It's all so confusing to us over here
vis-à-vis
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El Tejon, why not call both?
El Tejon
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Henry, oh, yes, Ohio, I'll type s . . . l . . . o . . . w . . . e . . . r.
vis, because spies have different schedules.
vis, because spies have different schedules.
larry_minn
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Gary Frost I had a similar thing with a funny (afterwards) twist.
The local Chief knew I had a carry permit (uncommon in my area back then) and he had hired a new Officer. This new Officer knew me as I actually had contact with him when he was in HS. (not a real troublemaker but enough I got to know his name)
Well one night I was going thru town about 1am and see squad. I thought it might be Chief but it was new guy. He is using a borrowed Llama revolver IIRC. So we talked about guns and he asked what I liked. I told him I had just changed from S&W 39-2 to a Glock 19. He asked if he could see it so I took a quick look around (we both were in our cars window to window) and said sure. I removed mag/kicked out chambered rd and handed it over with slide locked back. Few yrs later he told me it shocked him. We are talking and out of nowhere I am handing hiim this gun. I said "You knew I carried?" ("YES") "you asked to see it?" ("yes, but its just you got it out/unloaded so natural I didn't keep up")
The local Chief knew I had a carry permit (uncommon in my area back then) and he had hired a new Officer. This new Officer knew me as I actually had contact with him when he was in HS. (not a real troublemaker but enough I got to know his name)
Well one night I was going thru town about 1am and see squad. I thought it might be Chief but it was new guy. He is using a borrowed Llama revolver IIRC. So we talked about guns and he asked what I liked. I told him I had just changed from S&W 39-2 to a Glock 19. He asked if he could see it so I took a quick look around (we both were in our cars window to window) and said sure. I removed mag/kicked out chambered rd and handed it over with slide locked back. Few yrs later he told me it shocked him. We are talking and out of nowhere I am handing hiim this gun. I said "You knew I carried?" ("YES") "you asked to see it?" ("yes, but its just you got it out/unloaded so natural I didn't keep up")
209
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It could be in their records. I don't know about that agency, but a lot of times it depends on things like what CAD system (think "in-house database") the agency uses..... and how well an officer or dispatcher enters detailed information.
Here, if you get stopped, your reg info and DL info will get put into our system by the dispatcher. Based on the enforcement that results from the stop, there may be more entered. I backfill a lot of additional information on a lot of my stops. A lot of times I'll add notes in the narrative field.
Frequently, if I think I'm going to deal with the person I stopped in the future and my enforcement was a verbal warning, I will enter it as a "citation entry- verbal warning" so it's easier to see when a future CAD check is done. Mainly just due to the way our CAD works. Other times the only stuff in there is the dispatch entry and a closing of verbal warning. Other officers I work with don't enter verbal warnings that way on the report side of the CAD.
Case-in-point- I'm in the CT State Police CAD system. If they run my plate, it's comes up that I'm an officer. Same with two other town agencies. But, then there are other agencies where my basic info is in their in-house database, but I'm not flagged as an officer.
I don't know that I'd backfill any CCW information on a traffic stop unless there was something additional to the traffic violation that pertained to the gun. We can get CT permit info easily enough anyway; I don't need it in our CAD.
Duke Junior
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That is very informative,209.
I still doubt Indiana has logged any CCW info into their records on the OP from Ohio.
Pending confirmation from our inside local source,of course.
El Tejon
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I got a hold of my spy inside the Indiana State Police Saturday and he reports that when they run an out of state license the trooper is checking that state's records,e.g. Ohio. No record is made or logged in the internal Indiana State Police records.
If you are pulled over again in Indiana, the only way the trooper would know is if your Buckeye CCW is listed on your driving records when he calls your plate in.
I have not heard from my spy in Indy. I will report when I hear from him.
*Indy=Indianapolis, stop confusing me, it's too easy to do so.
If you are pulled over again in Indiana, the only way the trooper would know is if your Buckeye CCW is listed on your driving records when he calls your plate in.
I have not heard from my spy in Indy. I will report when I hear from him.
*Indy=Indianapolis, stop confusing me, it's too easy to do so.
Henry Bowman
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I'm told it is, as well as being linked to the vehicle registration.
That's still confusing, ultradoc. Indianapolis is not a state (only a state of mind
), so they do not have state police.Duke Junior
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ultradoc,were you pulled over within the city limits of Indianapolis?
If so, was it the City P.D. or a Indiana State Trooper that stopped you?
I believe that will clarify the situation.I hope.
El Tejon
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A state trooper pulled you over in Indianapolis, or, an IMPD cop pulled you over? Which department? I am so very confused.
Henry Bowman
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Are we not typing s....l....o....w....l....y e....n....o....u....g....h...?
Thernlund
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Speedo66 said:
If that's all it takes to send him into crisis mode, maybe LE isn't the best career choice for him.
I'll inform or not, depending on how I'm feeling about it in a given moment.
Of course, I'd infrom if the law required it, but here it does not.
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