On the news last night- 'straw purchases for Mexico'

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It's really frustrating, but I'm seeing a growing trend here (and I'm sure many if not most of you have picked up on it already).

Instead of violating the 2nd by ordinary means, the powers that be are pointing to Mexico as a reason to cut down on gun sales in the US.

This was a news broadcast, not just an article. Here's the text version.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/18735464/detail.html

HOUSTON -- Local 2 investigates the illegal gun trade between Houston and Mexico. Our city has become the top spot in the country for Mexican drug cartels and gangs to buy handguns, rifles and ammunition. Federal investigators report the cartels and gangs are spending millions of dollars a year to arm themselves with guns bought in the United States.

Local 2 Investigates spoke with one man who bought dozens of guns at stores around the Houston area. Local 2 is not revealing the man's identity.

"He asked me for a favor and I did it, you know. That was that," he said, referring to an acquaintance who first asked him to purchase the weapons.

This man said he had no idea where the weapons were headed and that he bought the guns to earn extra money.

"How much did you get paid," asked Local 2 investigative reporter Robert Arnold. "He told me that I'll give you $50 (per gun)," the man answered.

This man said he now fears for his life because he learned the guns he bought were smuggled into Mexico.

"I can't go down this way, you know, I can't," he said. " I'm always out there looking over my back, you know. I don't know with these people. I'm pretty sure they're capable of doing some crazy stuff, you know."

Court records reviewed by Local 2 Investigates reveal this man is just one of many buying guns all around Houston.

"The Houston area is the No. 1 area for guns going to Mexico," said J. Dewey Webb, Special Agent in Charge of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Houston Division.

Webb said Mexican drug cartels and gangs are heavily recruiting "straw buyers" to purchase weapons in the United States -- people with clean criminal records, a desire for quick cash and who can legally purchase a firearm.

Federal court documents show the A.T.F. has been tracking a ring of more than 20 people buying guns throughout the Houston area. Court records read the group bought $352,134 worth of guns in a 15- month period. All the guns were bought at stores around the Houston area. One of the main purchasers listed in court records is John Philip Hernandez, who has been arrested and charged with federal firearms violations.

Webb said the reason Houston is such a hot spot for these purchases is not just because it is close to the border, it is also because the guns are cheaper here.

"The farther you get away from the border, the cheaper the guns get," said Webb. "They can do the math. They can drive to Houston and buy a lot more of these things for the same money."

Web said the guns bought here have direct consequences in Mexico. Federal investigators directly linked guns bought in Houston to the murder and kidnapping of a Mexican businessman, a shoot-out between cartel members and Mexican troops and the murder of four police officers and three civilians in Acapulco.

Local 2 Investigates also traveled to Nueva Laredo where most people wouldn't talk about the problem of cartels and gangs arming themselves with American bought guns.

"We have to be careful because we don't feel safe and there's no guarantee the authorities can protect us," said one woman, who asked that Local 2 not reveal her identity.

"They smuggle the guns across in the suitcases of Mexican citizens who take the buses back and forth from Nueva Laredo to Houston," she said.

That comment highlights part of the problem. Checks going into Mexico are spotty and random.

Just a few days before Local 2 Investigates traveled to Nueva Laredo, Mexican federal troops got into a shoot-out with three men driving stolen trucks from Texas. When it was over, one person was dead and the troops found a huge cache of weapons.

Hidden inside those stolen trucks were guns, ammunition, handcuffs, radios, and bulletproof vests. Federal troops told Local 2 this was the second seizure of weapons in two weeks in Nueva Laredo.

"We can't supply Mexico with these guns," said Webb County Sheriff, Martin Cuellar.

Webb County sits just across the border from Nueva Laredo and Cuellar said he has seen the problem of gangs and cartels recruiting buyers for their weapons.

"They're recruiting in Dallas. They're recruiting in Houston. They're recruiting everywhere. I mean they're recruiting here, too," said Cuellar. "They recruit, you now, from our gangs, American gangs."

One of the preferred weapons in Mexico is a handgun that fires armor-piercing rounds.

"It's called a cop killer in Mexico," said Webb.

Webb said handguns are easier to conceal. The guns can be dismantled and walked across the border in pieces. Webb said the gangs and cartels are also using high-powered and automatic rifles. A.T.F. agents are also finding grenades in Mexico that were bought on the black market from places like Israel, South Korea and South Africa.

"They're starting to equip their armies like real armies," said Webb.

"Around 90 percent of the weapons that are being confiscated from organized crime in Mexico come from the United States," said Carlos Gonzalez Magallon, Mexico's Consul General in Houston.

Gonzalez Magallon said since Mexican President Felipe Calderon increased efforts to dismantle cartels, there has been an increased wave of violence and an increased demand for weapons.

"It's not a problem of Mexico alone," said Gonzalez Magallon. "This is a problem we share."

Our government agrees with that statement. There has been an unparalleled level of cooperation between the U.S. and Mexico. Both countries are now sharing information regularly, more A.T.F. agents are dedicated to tracking the flow of guns and gun dealers being educated on how to spot straw buyers.

"In most cases, they're one of the best sources for informing us to what's going on," said Webb.

The violence is also no longer staying south of the border.

"Some of these (grenades) are coming into the United States and being thrown into bars full of people," said Webb. "The violence is creeping into the United States more and more."

The last numbers available from the A.T.F. show in 2007 more than 6,500 weapons bought in the U.S. were found in Mexico. The A.T.F. reports that number only includes weapons our government was able to trace.

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By the way, the gun they were referring to as a 'cop killer' is the FN Hernstal Five Seven (they showed it on the broadcast).
 
"Some of these (grenades) are coming into the United States and being thrown into bars full of people," said Webb. "The violence is creeping into the United States more and more."

I've never heard of a U.S. bar getting grenaded (grenadined?). I think Webb is all wet.
 
I also have never seen grenades at a gun store.

Straw purchases and grenades?

Right...
 
If they can get tons of DRUGS into this country, then how hard could it be to get a few thousand GUNS out of this country???? This isn't a gun problem. It's a a border security issue. If our borders were secured in an appropriate fashion, drugs wouldn't be coming in and weapons wouldn't be going out.

We just saw the passage of an $800 billion "stimulus" package with tons of money for new government jobs. How much of that was for border patrol agents????????

"Around 90 percent of the weapons that are being confiscated from organized crime in Mexico come from the United States," said Carlos Gonzalez Magallon, Mexico's Consul General in Houston.

What percentage of the illegal drugs in this country come from Mexico???? Obviously, the fact that drugs are illegal doesn't stop the Mexicans from producing tons of the stuff. If every gun in the US was outlawed tomorrow, the drug dealers would still find a way to get some. You think Hugo Chavez in Venezuela wouldn't start manufacturing them if the price was right????? Guns can be built in a 20' x20' shop. It takes hundreds of acres to get a real cash crop of many illegal drugs.
 
That would be the FN FiveSeven - the media's latest incarnation of 'cop killer bullets'. ;)
 
Maybe they should realize its the drug prohibition in the US that is fueling this violence, and the guns are only a symptom.

Or not. That would require some common sense
 
the issue that needs to be addressed is the power of the cartels in Mexico and the rather porous border. Fix those issues first.
 
Just legalize drugs and put those bastards south of the border out of work. Remind anyone of Prohibition in the U.S.? I'm so sick and tired of hearing about these damn crazed Mexican Cartels. Either declare all out war on the border or legalize drugs. The media and anti groups are definitely seizing on this to further their cause. AAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!
 
They probably just pulled the safety wire off of it and not the pin. As for the guns going into Mexico maybe Mexico should secure it's border I don't see how it's our problem.
 
Its a Korean made grenade it has two pins that needs to be pulled.

Luckily they only pulled one.

Edit - Sry jerkface11 is right there is a safety lever/wire and a pin that needs to be pulled.
 
A similar report was on NPR this afternoon (Thursday).

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100872502

All Things Considered, February 19, 2009 · Though one direction usually gets most of the attention, smuggling between the U.S. and Mexico is actually a two-way street.

ATF Agent Bill Newell says that drugs coming north and guns and ammunition going south has been fueling a war between drug cartels and law enforcement — a war that left thousands dead last year.

Drivers headed south toward the border pass a welcome sign — "Bienvenidos a Mexico" — and another sign, warning in both English and Spanish: "No firearms or ammunition." Two customs inspectors talking on cell phones wave cars through a barrier with no questions and no inspection.

More than 5,000 people were murdered in Mexico last year alone, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and 95 percent of the weapons recovered from those killings were traced back to the U.S. That's largely because it's easier to buy guns in the U.S. and smuggle them across the border than it is to get them in Mexico.

"I'll tell you something with all due respect: The problem of violence in Mexico starts in the United States when someone buys a weapon, and their intent is that it's going to Mexico," says Abel Murrieta-Guttierez, attorney general of the Mexican state of Sonora.

Seizing Weapons

Back in Phoenix, Newell is in a walk-in vault loaded with weapons seized 120 miles north of the border. The vault is filled with hundreds of rifles in wall racks, handguns in stacks and semi-automatics wrapped with plastic ties to prevent their firing. This is just one of a number of ATF vaults in Arizona filled with weapons that will be destroyed and then replaced with newly seized weapons. Newell points to a trash can filled with AK-47 knockoffs.

"These guns were actually seized in Phoenix from some traffickers that were going to take them to Mexico," he says. "Actually this case was one of about 30."

Newell has worked with the Mexican government to stop weapons trafficking, and a representative from the Mexican Justice Department has a desk in the Phoenix ATF office. Newell says the guns are coming from all over the U.S, though. The weapons and ammunition are being bought on the black market and at gun shows, but mostly from licensed dealers. Arizona and Texas make it especially easy to buy guns retail. Basically, any adult with a valid ID and no criminal record can buy as many as he or she wants.

Form 44-73 is a five-page document the federal government uses to screen purchases. It's a felony to lie on the form, but it's also illegal to buy a gun for someone else. And that's what happens: Smugglers hire people to make straw purchases.

Signs Of A Smuggler Purchase

Dave LaRue, who owns Legendary Guns, a shop in Phoenix that sells everything from Old West antiques to modern firearms, says a real tip-off that a gun may be smuggled is if the buyer tries to use cash, avoiding a financial trail.

"There are plenty of signs," he says. The buyers "don't understand how the gun works. They don't know what the gun is. They come in and point at it and say: 'I'll take that gun.' It's so unusual for somebody to buy an expensive gun and pay for it in cash, and quite often with small bills, that you just think that this can't be right."

LaRue says he and his employees have seen the pattern often enough to refuse to sell if they see anything suspicious. They work closely with the ATF. Others are not so careful. Another Phoenix gun dealer is about to stand trial on charges he sold 600 weapons he knew were headed to the Sinaloa drug cartel in Mexico.

U.S. agents occasionally seize weapons at the border. At the Nogales Port of Entry, Customs and Border Protection Supervisor Christopher Larkins says agents recently found some hidden in the hollowed-out insulation of a refrigerator unit in back of a pickup truck.

Authorities call the weapons smuggling trafico de la hormiga, or "ant traffic," because it's done in small steady shipments to avoid detection. And after all, the main mission of the customs service is not examining vehicles leaving the U.S.

"Our primary responsibility is inspecting the traveling public entering the United States," Larkins says. "That's what one of our bigger threats are. When resources allow, we do the outbound."

So what can be done to halt the flow of guns south? Last year President Bush signed the Merida Initiative, which provides training, equipment and intelligence to Mexico. President Obama recently vowed to do more. Meanwhile, nearly 8,000 guns sold in America last year were traced to Mexico. That was more than double the number the year before.
 
why is it that other countries have a right to defend their borders and we don't? why is it that every time people talk aganst illegal immigration someone else says that we hate immigrants or mexicans?

there are many,many reasons for defending our borders,crime is just one of them.

for the answers to these questions,follow the money trail.that will give you the answer.

this is clearly agenda driven against our 2A.
 
Post-election panic buying in the United States that emptied the shelves of black AR rifles must have really hurt the Mexican economy.
 
This is bull. Have they throught to look at the Mexican military as the source of these weapons? Tell me, how in the world are they able to get their hands on so many fully automatic weapons? Especially when the cartels are threatening the military and police to join or die. So now the U.S. is responsible for Mexico's violence due to our RIGHT to own firearms? So would that make Mexico responsible for the violence related to drugs that occurs in the U.S.?

Just legalize drugs and put those bastards south of the border out of work. Remind anyone of Prohibition in the U.S.? I'm so sick and tired of hearing about these damn crazed Mexican Cartels. Either declare all out war on the border or legalize drugs. The media and anti groups are definitely seizing on this to further their cause. AAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!

Amen. End The "War" On Drugs. It is a waste of money and you can't win it. But nooooooo, they don't wanna do that, because then thousands of people would be out of their jobs and .gov would be missing an EXTREMELY valuable revenue stream.
 
You don't win wars by surrendering, Cel.

Obviously our penalties are insufficient. I fully support a minimum 30 year federal sentence for drug smuggling or interstate trafficking.
 
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