Mexican guns smuggled in from US

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/17/cartel.guns/index.html?hpt=C1

Smuggled guns used in cartel hits

By Ed Lavendera, CNN
February 17, 2010 4:31 p.m. EST


Houston, Texas (CNN) -- John Phillip Hernandez and a friend walked into the Collector's Firearms gun store in Houston, Texas, to buy a cache of weapons. Hernandez was wearing sunglasses and a dark T-shirt with the words "I Am the Scene" scrawled across the front.

It was April 28, 2007. Collector's Firearms was one of two gun stores they visited that day as part of a scheme to arm Mexican cartels across the border, according to federal court documents.

Hernandez's friend passed his background checks and did all the buying, prosecutors say. On that spring day, he purchased six weapons, including a quick-firing 7.62-caliber firearm and a favorite cartel weapon, the Bushmaster .223.

Within days, AFT investigators say, those weapons were put on the road and funneled into the hands of cartel members.

"The cartels are looking to supply their private armies, and they are coming up with more elaborate, larger schemes," said Dewey Webb, the special agent in charge of Houston's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives field office.

The Houston case offers a glimpse into the underworld of illegal gun trafficking and how Mexican drug cartels find much of their firepower in the United States. Straw purchases are made by people who are legally qualified to buy firearms, but those weapons then make their way into the hands of criminals, authorities said.

The daily struggle plays out as drugs flow north and guns and money flow south. At least 55 murders were the result of the gun scheme that began in Houston gun shops, authorities said.

Hernandez is at the center of the case, what Houston AFT agents say is one of the largest straw-purchasing schemes they have ever seen.

"He doesn't stand out in a crowd," an AFT agent told CNN. "He's just a regular guy." The agent asked not to be identified because he's been intricately involved in the investigation of this case.

Federal investigators say Hernandez recruited and organized 23 people around Houston. Together the men funneled nearly 340 firearms valued at almost $370,000 to Mexican drug cartels. AFT agents say almost 100 of those weapons have turned up at cartel-related crime scenes in Mexico and Guatemala.

Hernandez pleaded guilty in 2009 to making false statements about firearms purchases. He's currently serving an eight-year prison sentence.

Of the 23 other people connected to the case, 11 have pleaded guilty for their roles in the gun trafficking scheme. Each was sentenced to less than eight years in prison. Several others struck plea deals and continue to cooperate with federal authorities.

What made this group so effective was its ability to appear like ordinary gun buyers. All the men had clean criminal backgrounds, authorities say. It wasn't until the firearms started showing up at violent crime scenes in Mexico that federal investigators started piecing together the magnitude of the case.

ATF investigators, cooperating with Mexican authorities, traced the weapons back to various Houston gun shops and started seeing the same names of repeat customers.

"It really surprised us at first that we had this many people linked together," said the ATF agent who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Federal investigators say Hernandez and his men were reimbursed by the cartels for the money spent on the weapons, and then paid an extra $100 to $200 for each firearm they supplied.

The weapons Hernandez purchased himself, according to federal court documents, were used in the kidnapping and murder of a prominent Mexican businessman. Another group of weapons turned up in a shooting known as the "Acapulco Massacre" in 2007. Seven people were slaughtered that day, including four police officers.

ATF agents say breaking up these networks of straw purchasers in the United States is a key battlefront in the fight against Mexican drug cartels.

"These folks that are out buying these guns, they're just as responsible as the people pulling the trigger and killing people in Mexico," said Webb, Houston's top ATF agent.
 
Wow. Leave it to CNN. They referred to the ATF as "AFT" four times in the article. They can't even get the TLA's right in their liberal spew.

... and they wonder why re-runs of "Charles in Charge" beat them in the ratings.
 
I guess we need to give up our rights in this country because Mexico can't handle its internal affairs.


I find this interesting though, I did research for a paper on this and most of the cartels weapons are coming from SK, China, Spain, and France. They also buy stolen US Government supplied M16's from Mexican army officials.

Weapons purchased this way in the US are but a small drop in the bucket. This guy sent 340 down, but at the same time they probably bought 5k AK47's from guys like Victor Bout. What people forget is that these cartels are multi billion dollar operations, and probably purchase more weapons than most 3rd world countries. They don't have the time to mess with straw buyers, or need to really on the crap we can get in this country. They don't want AR15's they want M16's, RPG's, MP5's, full auto AK47's, and other goodies we can't really get.
 
Gonna do this again? This whole mess was debunked over a year ago.

The majority of the weapons being used in Mexico are full auto. I'm pretty sure straw buyers didn't pick those up in Laredo......
 
Tell me these didn't originate in the US. Left one is 16" M4 style. Right is a 16" M4 ban style without muzzle device or threads.

Yeah, there's blood on those. Badguy blood.
 

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Tell me these didn't originate in the US. Left one is 16" M4 style. Right is a 16" M4 ban style without muzzle device or threads.

Mexico has Cartel problem not a gun problem. I guess we should give up our rights because the Mexican government can't wipe their own backside. I think Mexico is a prime example of gun control, no law abiding citizens can own guns yet all criminals still do, it doesn't matter where or who they come from and like stated before straw purchases are just a small drop in the bucket for incoming weapons.
 
The don't mention the thousands of military arms and explosives shipped in by Obama's friend Chávez, or the guns "lost" by Mexican soldiers.

What is the next proposal? That we give up the right to vote because Mexican elections are corrupt? Should give up press freedom because the press in North Korea is controlled? How far does this administration want us to go to make Obama's corrupt friends feel secure? Of course, we know where we stand in the world when our president bows and kisses the feet of every tinpot dictator and be-medalled emperor and king he meets.

Jim
 
More BS...Yeah, the cartels are going to buy $700+ civilian semi-autos when they can buy full-autos from their own corrupt government for about $100+ and a hefty bribe.
 
Originate, sure. Big deal. Where they came from is the question - through a FFL or via a .gov grant?
Why would a .gov entity buy rifles with 1994-2004 ban-compliant features? The simple answer is, "they wouldn't."
Mexico has Cartel problem not a gun problem. think Mexico is a prime example of gun control, no law abiding citizens can own guns yet all criminals still do. (middle sentance removed)
Certainly. Mexico definately has a Cartel, Crime, and Corruption problem.

We, however, cannot make blanket statements like, "None of these cartel guns come from the civillian US market," when the evidence is so obviously to the contrary. I'm sure that many do not come from the civillian US market, but I know that quite a few do.

Now, as a country, we have an interest in controlling what leaves our border, the same as what enters our borders.

Personally, I support all legal efforts to prevent firearms, optics, night vision, etc from leaving the US.
 
Why bring guns across the border when the Drug Cartel can buy them directly from the Mexican Government and Mexican Military?.

There is so much money in drugs, one high level Mexican State Government official was getting $450,000 a month from the Cartels.

Those American guns that have turned up in Cartel hands, I wager the vast majority were US Military Aid to the Mexican Government. Corrupt Officials then sold them to the Drug Cartels.
 
We, however, cannot make blanket statements like, "None of these cartel guns come from the civillian US market," when the evidence is so obviously to the contrary.

Neither can the statement be made that the guns purchased illegally here and taken to Mexico have ANY appreciable impact on gun violence down there. The ease of firearm access for well funded criminals in Mexico is pretty well documented.

So, the question becomes what impact do illegal gun sales here have on gun violence down there? I notice everyone avoids that question.

They avoid the question because it's entirely possible that the US sourced guns are such a small percentage of guns used in Mexican crime that it becomes insignificant. It's entirely possible that you could stop the flow of illegal guns from here to there 100% and the crime rate would not change at all.

Before passing new laws, signing treaties, etc that question should be asked and answered. Otherwise it would be more of the same, passing laws based on the "feel good" factor alone.

There's enough of that already.
 
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Personally, I support all legal efforts to prevent firearms, optics, night vision, etc from leaving the US.
Define "all legal efforts".

Does that include bans or onerous restrictions on those items for non-criminal US citizens?
 
Can anybody confirm the rumor that a lot of drugs originate in Mexico?

Maybe the Mexicans ought to do something about THAT...

Oh ... the Copper Canyon for starters ...

Where all those farm boys from the sierras get the money for a 25K Jeep.

How is that a rancher had one of his farm hands carrying a Bushmaster with blingy parts? (nice fellow btw ... )

Have you seen the graveyards in Creel? (Chihuahua), a lot of 20 something year old fellers.

Ask the guys manning the checkpoints at night in Durango ... every night they have a shootout with someone making a run for Juarez.

Guns come from EVERYWHERE!
 
Oh ... the Copper Canyon for starters ...

Where all those farm boys from the sierras get the money for a 25K Jeep.

How is that a rancher had one of his farm hands carrying a Bushmaster with blingy parts? (nice fellow btw ... )

Have you seen the graveyards in Creel? (Chihuahua), a lot of 20 something year old fellers.

Ask the guys manning the checkpoints at night in Durango ... every night they have a shootout with someone making a run for Juarez.

Guns come from EVERYWHERE!
I'm hardly surprised that none of this answered my question.
 
Define "all legal efforts".
As was done in this case: Recovered weapons traced, a pattern identified, and the actors arrested and charged.

Also, southbound inspections that, honestly, recover far more smuggled money than guns.

I don't figure ban or restrictions in any part of this. I don't know why you would bring that up.
[Can anybody confirm the rumor that a lot of drugs originate in Mexico?

Maybe the Mexicans ought to do something about THAT...
What does that have to do with southbound firearms? Isn't that the topic: southbound firearms and what can we do about them, if anything?

The fact that Mexico can't control what is made in or exits from their country shouldn't keep us from controlling what leaves ours.
 
I don't figure ban or restrictions in any part of this. I don't know why you would bring that up.
Because EVERY time this subject is raised, it's ALWAYS accompanied by calls for bans and onerous restrictions. In fact, it's the ONLY reason the subject is ever raised. The ONLY "solutions" offered to this nonexistent "problem" are increased restrictions on NON-criminal US gun owners.

It and the imaginary "gunshow loophole" are on a par with the "Kosher tax" that neo-Nazis regularly trot out to trick the gullible.

I can't make Brady, VPC and their zombies in AHSA stop lying. They can't make me believe their lies.
 
Tell me these didn't originate in the US. Left one is 16" M4 style. Right is a 16" M4 ban style without muzzle device or threads.

I suppose the grenade was bought at the local gun shop and smuggled down there also? Just wondering.
 
I'm just a simple country boy but a good fence and some patrolling along that fence would solve alot of problems.
 
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