Zundfolge
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Communists couldn't bury us with Soviet tanks and missiles so they are using American lawyers and politicians. Thats all this is about; destruction of Capitalism.
Once Again a Legal Product is Misused..and it's the Manufacturer's Fault
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jfh
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I worked around this issue
by getting an antihistimine prescription from my physician. The HMO I belong to makes it a bit of an issue to use--but not really: I can get 30-day refills, for up to a year. The insurance program I'm in makes it cheaper this way than the OTC drugs--and what I'm taking now is more effective in curbing the symptoms as well.
by getting an antihistimine prescription from my physician. The HMO I belong to makes it a bit of an issue to use--but not really: I can get 30-day refills, for up to a year. The insurance program I'm in makes it cheaper this way than the OTC drugs--and what I'm taking now is more effective in curbing the symptoms as well.
"how long will it be before we are somehow comitting a felony making a pot of coffee in the morning?"
Depends on where you got your coffee from. Some states have tryed, and will again, to add a coffee tax. It's amazing how we have gone full circle since the Boston tea party. If the Founding Fathers knew this cr@p would happen they wouldn't have bothered.
Try and count all the laws you break in a day, it's sickening. I can barely take a piss in the morning without breaking a law. In CA during drought season flushing your toilet excessively or watering your lawn is a crime.
Depends on where you got your coffee from. Some states have tryed, and will again, to add a coffee tax. It's amazing how we have gone full circle since the Boston tea party. If the Founding Fathers knew this cr@p would happen they wouldn't have bothered.
Try and count all the laws you break in a day, it's sickening. I can barely take a piss in the morning without breaking a law. In CA during drought season flushing your toilet excessively or watering your lawn is a crime.
artherd
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Ex-Doc, or if you pee on trees outside your house, you could be arrested for pollution or 'public indecency' (funny how it's never indecent if it's a hot gal tanning naked on the lawn 
But I digress.
Fascinating, I never knew that! I love THR.
We've already got "Assault Drugs" though. I can't buy NyQuil and DayQuil at the same time. What do they think I'm going to do? Take both? What do they think I have? Some kind of COLD or something?
Could it possibly have been that I do have a cold? And that I'm doing day&Night test flights with the Army at literally all hours? Could it have been that I would have suffered ear damage had I not taken the various-Quils?
Hell no, I must be one of three meth makers in a city with 200,000 people in it. Let the three thousand guys with colds ear drums bleed.
But I digress.Fascinating, I never knew that! I love THR.
We've already got "Assault Drugs" though. I can't buy NyQuil and DayQuil at the same time. What do they think I'm going to do? Take both? What do they think I have? Some kind of COLD or something?
Could it possibly have been that I do have a cold? And that I'm doing day&Night test flights with the Army at literally all hours? Could it have been that I would have suffered ear damage had I not taken the various-Quils?
Hell no, I must be one of three meth makers in a city with 200,000 people in it. Let the three thousand guys with colds ear drums bleed.
answerguy
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There is a similarity here between selling these cold meds and selling guns.
Let's say your average suburban pharmacy sells 10 packages of cold meds a day, but your inner city pharmacy is selling hundreds a day. And they are selling them to one or two individuals. Is the manufacturer and retailer fooling anyone? We know, that they know, where these 'ingredients' are going and that they are only doing it for the profit.
Couldn't the same be said about inner city gun stores if similar things are happening? Anyone willing to admit it? Or is this heresy?
Let's say your average suburban pharmacy sells 10 packages of cold meds a day, but your inner city pharmacy is selling hundreds a day. And they are selling them to one or two individuals. Is the manufacturer and retailer fooling anyone? We know, that they know, where these 'ingredients' are going and that they are only doing it for the profit.
Couldn't the same be said about inner city gun stores if similar things are happening? Anyone willing to admit it? Or is this heresy?
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7.62FullMetalJacket
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answerguy,
You are presuming that the store, distributor and manufacturer have a "duty" to not sell stuff (legal products)? Not sell stuff unproportionately? Who decides "how much" is unproportionate?
Selling stuff is not an activity with too many moral components. You sell stuff, you re-stock, you sell more stuff. That is how to make money in retail.
Maybe they has a virus circulating in the ineer city but not the burbs? Maybe allergies are up from industrial pollution? Who's to say?
Let's say that the suburban gun shop sells 1 Lorcin .25 auto per year. The same gun dealer in the inner city sells 100 Lorcin .25 autos per year. First, how you could equalize per capita is beyond me (there are far fewer inner city gun stores and pharmacies). Second, so what? Is Lorcin now guilty of flooding the "criminal market?"
You are presuming that the store, distributor and manufacturer have a "duty" to not sell stuff (legal products)? Not sell stuff unproportionately? Who decides "how much" is unproportionate?
Selling stuff is not an activity with too many moral components. You sell stuff, you re-stock, you sell more stuff. That is how to make money in retail.
Maybe they has a virus circulating in the ineer city but not the burbs? Maybe allergies are up from industrial pollution? Who's to say?
Let's say that the suburban gun shop sells 1 Lorcin .25 auto per year. The same gun dealer in the inner city sells 100 Lorcin .25 autos per year. First, how you could equalize per capita is beyond me (there are far fewer inner city gun stores and pharmacies). Second, so what? Is Lorcin now guilty of flooding the "criminal market?"
answerguy
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I'm not saying that the sale of guns is exactly like my scenario of the cold meds, the gun sales do require a background check afterall.
BUT- do you really think you are fooling anybody with this:
Remember my scenario had just a couple people buying all the meds. As the pharmacist do you feel any responsibility? As a gun store owner would you feel any responsibility as to who you sold too? What if a guy passes the background check but tells you he wants to whack his wife?
Art Eatman
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answerguy, you make the sale and then drop a dime on him.
No different from the Mexican coke dealer who sells a kilo to a Gringo and then calls the Mexican cops...Who just might call DEA if they don't care to bother.
It's called "Good community relations."
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No different from the Mexican coke dealer who sells a kilo to a Gringo and then calls the Mexican cops...Who just might call DEA if they don't care to bother.
It's called "Good community relations."
, ArtThe_Antibubba
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If Sudafed is outlawed, only outlaws will be able to breathe.
P95Carry
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Didn't ''they'' ..... EVER learn anything, from prohibition??!
''Stuff'' will always be available .... it'll just cost more and line the pockets of more crooks with more money ..... and all the while the responsible users have to be penalized.
Not too different from gun control .. emphasis on ''control'' ....... and, as ever ..... screw the huge majority ... for the transgressions of the relatively small minority ....... really, really fair and just eh? NOT.
Better ban lighters ...... I hear a few arsonists have used them ..... be safer for us all ... oh and matches ... just as lethal in the wrong hands. Ooops ... I can feel a ''list'' coming on ..... so much that should be controlled, lest we abuse it.:banghead:
''Stuff'' will always be available .... it'll just cost more and line the pockets of more crooks with more money ..... and all the while the responsible users have to be penalized.
Not too different from gun control .. emphasis on ''control'' ....... and, as ever ..... screw the huge majority ... for the transgressions of the relatively small minority ....... really, really fair and just eh? NOT.
Better ban lighters ...... I hear a few arsonists have used them ..... be safer for us all ... oh and matches ... just as lethal in the wrong hands. Ooops ... I can feel a ''list'' coming on ..... so much that should be controlled, lest we abuse it.:banghead:
Ivy Mike
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They are going about this the wrong way. Don't limit how much someone can buy. Give huge discounts when they buy cases at a time!
Make the meth as cheap as possible. That way, the fiends OD and die...problem solved.
Make the meth as cheap as possible. That way, the fiends OD and die...problem solved.
9 m&m
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Well, I guess they are gonna make it where you have to go to the court house to buy medicine permits. 5 a month for $ 10 bucks a peice.
( Anything to make more ca$h.)
( Anything to make more ca$h.)
artherd
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???? NO!!! As is lampooned so often when we talk of 'vigilantee' type justice, we are not the police! It is not my responsibility to insure that SOMEONE ELSE complies with the law!
I find it amazing that the same guys who wouldn't support me walking into San Francisco, poping off drug dealers, rapists, and murderers at will with an AR-10, would ask me to police a pharmacy?
What gives?
jimpeel
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This is but another in a long chain of legal remedies that have been taken away because some people might do something contraindicated on the label. How about these other hard drugs that are abused so the rest of us are excluded from their curative powers?
Codeine is the most effective product for cough ever found. It used to be available over the counter, marketed under the name "Chericol", when I was a kid in the fifties. People started drinking it for the "high" and it was removed from the market. Normal people were forced to suffer so the government could keep people from abusing it.
Terpin Hydrate was the second most effective cough suoppressant on the open market up through the sixties. It tasted like Hell -- well actually a bit like gin -- but would knock out a cough like gangbusters. People started drinking it for the "high" and it was removed from the market. Normal people were forced to suffer so the government could keep people from abusing it.
Empirin Codeine was the most effective pain remedy on the open market up through most of the sixties. People started taking them for the "high" so they were removed from the market. Normal people were forced to suffer so the government could keep people from abusing it.
Brown's Suppositories were an opium based remedy that the druggies figured out how to reduce to their opium base. People abused them so they were removed from the market. They are no longer available. Normal people were forced to suffer so the government could keep people from abusing it.
Never forget: If someone, somewhere, is enjoying themselves; you can bet your sweet a-- that there is someone, somewhere, working diligently to curtail that activity; and they are coming for you, next.
Codeine is the most effective product for cough ever found. It used to be available over the counter, marketed under the name "Chericol", when I was a kid in the fifties. People started drinking it for the "high" and it was removed from the market. Normal people were forced to suffer so the government could keep people from abusing it.
Terpin Hydrate was the second most effective cough suoppressant on the open market up through the sixties. It tasted like Hell -- well actually a bit like gin -- but would knock out a cough like gangbusters. People started drinking it for the "high" and it was removed from the market. Normal people were forced to suffer so the government could keep people from abusing it.
Empirin Codeine was the most effective pain remedy on the open market up through most of the sixties. People started taking them for the "high" so they were removed from the market. Normal people were forced to suffer so the government could keep people from abusing it.
Brown's Suppositories were an opium based remedy that the druggies figured out how to reduce to their opium base. People abused them so they were removed from the market. They are no longer available. Normal people were forced to suffer so the government could keep people from abusing it.
Never forget: If someone, somewhere, is enjoying themselves; you can bet your sweet a-- that there is someone, somewhere, working diligently to curtail that activity; and they are coming for you, next.
Esky
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Memories...
jimpeel,
Thanks for posting that list. Caused me to remember that when I was a small boy (around 50 years ago, alas) my mother would give me a spoonful of Terpin Hydrate and Codein.
It was in a small bottle, tasted terrible, but after one spoonful... NO MORE COUGH!
She kept it hidden away somewhere, and I remember her saying that she had to "smuggle" it into California from some other state, since it wasn't legal here. (Even back then!)
Wish I still had some, it beat the h*ll out of Nyquil (guess that'll be banned next.)
<sigh> for lost liberties...
Esky
jimpeel,
Thanks for posting that list. Caused me to remember that when I was a small boy (around 50 years ago, alas) my mother would give me a spoonful of Terpin Hydrate and Codein.
It was in a small bottle, tasted terrible, but after one spoonful... NO MORE COUGH!
She kept it hidden away somewhere, and I remember her saying that she had to "smuggle" it into California from some other state, since it wasn't legal here. (Even back then!)
Wish I still had some, it beat the h*ll out of Nyquil (guess that'll be banned next.)
<sigh> for lost liberties...
Esky
7.62FullMetalJacket
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Well, I have one for you. Last summer we took the horses to PRK for a few weeks in the summer. I had business, the kids were out of school, ... When I left I was treating one horse for an infection with PENICILLIN. I can buy it by the gallon in Utah (for animal use). Needless to say we forgot to bring the supply. Get to PRK, no Penicillin without a veterinarian's prescrip. For gosh sake, it is for a horse. I refused to submit and the horse turned out OK.
Why? You can probably guess. City people and immigrants were probably self-medicating. Can't have that! Frankly, I wouldn't do it, but then again I don't shove syringes in my arm as a habit.
Why? You can probably guess. City people and immigrants were probably self-medicating. Can't have that! Frankly, I wouldn't do it, but then again I don't shove syringes in my arm as a habit.
artherd
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I saw we give all the ????-sticks all the drugs they want. If they want to burn out and die in the gutter, great, more land for me.
Disclosure that the substances are neuro-chemically addictive should be all that is mandated.
Disclosure that the substances are neuro-chemically addictive should be all that is mandated.
artherd
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I saw we give all the ????-sticks all the drugs they want. If they want to burn out and die in the gutter, great, more land for me.
Disclosure that the substances are neuro-chemically addictive should be all that is mandated.
Disclosure that the substances are neuro-chemically addictive should be all that is mandated.
atek3
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Reminds me of the old onion article.
If they really stopped pussyfooting around and straight up banned pseudoephedrine it would simply be smuggled in from mexico further enriching the notorious mexican drug gangs. Here in California most of the "Mom and Pop" type producers have been driven out of "business" by the Mexican run 'superlabs' that after they get busted practically are "superfund" sites.
atek3
Really funny.
If they really stopped pussyfooting around and straight up banned pseudoephedrine it would simply be smuggled in from mexico further enriching the notorious mexican drug gangs. Here in California most of the "Mom and Pop" type producers have been driven out of "business" by the Mexican run 'superlabs' that after they get busted practically are "superfund" sites.
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