Congress poised to pass anti-meth law

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Is this part of the Patriot Act?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10405933/

WASHINGTON - Cold remedies that can be used by drug dealers to make methamphetamine would be forced behind store counters under legislation Congress is poised to pass by year’s end.

Lawmakers hope that federal restrictions — included in the agreement reached Thursday to reauthorize the USA Patriot Act — will stem a meth trade that has hit rural America particularly hard.

A number of states have already moved to curb the sale of cold pills containing pseudoephedrine, the ingredient used to cook meth in makeshift labs. The federal law would prevent meth makers from moving to states with weaker laws.

Stores would be required to keep medicines like Sudafed and Nyquil behind the counter and consumers would be limited to 3.6 grams, or about 120 pills, per day and 9 grams, or about 300 pills, a month. Purchasers would also need to show a photo ID and sign a logbook.

Those limits target meth dealers who buy large quantities of the drugs to extract the pseudoephedrine.

The measure is a compromise reached after months of haggling over the 30-day limit. Sens. Jim Talent, R-Mo., and Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., who pushed the legislation in the Senate, insisted the limit was needed to curb the meth epidemic.

“The heart of this legislation is a strong standard for keeping pseudoephedrine products out of the hands of meth cooks,” Feinstein said.

Starving manufacturers of key ingredient
Under the bill, stores with pharmacies would have to keep the medicine behind the pharmacy counter. Stores without pharmacies could sell cold medicines from a locked case behind a store counter if they gain approval from the Drug Enforcement Administration.

“We’re pleased to see the current compromise,” said Tim Hammonds, president and CEO of the Food Marketing Institute, which represents grocery stores and other retailers. “It addresses a serious law enforcement concern, but in a way that balances the need for consumer access to safe and effective products.”

Hammonds said he was disappointed the federal bill would not pre-empt more restrictive laws in states like Oklahoma and Iowa, where cold remedies are sold from behind pharmacy counters. At least 37 states have enacted laws to restrict the sale of cold medications to starve meth manufacturers of their key ingredient.

Many leading retailers — including Kmart, Walgreens, Target, Wal-Mart — have already adopted guidelines to limit customer access to cold products or to limit their sales.

Some drug makers have changed the ingredients in cold pills to take out pseudoephedrine and replace it with another substance, phenylephrine, that cannot be used to make meth. A new product called Sudafed PE, is already on store shelves, though the old Sudafed is still available.

'Toughest' bill to date
The measure would provide nearly $100 million a year for five years to train state and local law enforcement to nab meth offenders and would expand funding to prosecute dealers and clean up environmentally toxic meth labs.

Talent called the measure “the toughest anti-meth bill ever considered by Congress.” He predicted that it would help reduce the number of clandestine labs where the illegal drug is made with common items like household cleaners and coffee filters.

The meth problem is particularly severe in the Midwest, where rural areas provide cover for the pungent chemical odor from meth labs. In Missouri, law enforcement officers seized more than 2,700 meth labs last year — more than any other state.

Passage of the measure could take place as early as next week, when Republican leaders press for a vote on the anti-terrorism bill. Some opponents who claim Patriot Act threatens civil liberties are threatening a filibuster unless changes are made.
 
Nice. Don't they know that banning or restricting access to things is not going to help?
 
Damn shame. I'm gonna have to take out credit on my paid off home, just to lay in future supplies of Nyquil. :cuss:

*Cough, cough, sneeze, sniffle*
"I'd like some nyquil, please, and a pack of Sudafed?"
"Certainly, sir, may I see your ID? Oh, I'm sorry, you've already had your limit this month. I'm afraid you aren't allowed any more cold medicine until the 3rd of next month."
"But I'm sick! And that's almost two weeks from now!"
"I'm sorry, sir. Those are the rules."
*customer sniffles his way out of the store*

"Officer Jenkins? Yes, I had a possible meth manufacturer here just a moment ago, trying to purchase more than his legal limit of Sudafed. His name? Let me see...Ah, here it is! John Smith, 123 Loss of liberty way.......
 
jnojr: Boy, I'd better stock up now...

You might want to check your state and local laws before you do that. In Arkansas, possession of material containing more than 9 grams of pseudoephedrine falls under the "possession of precursor materials" section of the statute regarding methamphetamine manufacture. That means if I possess more than three boxes of the 96 count 30 mg Sudafed, I'm in violation. Can't speak for the statutes in Cali, but I'm sure there are other states that have similar laws.
 
Praise the Lord that we have such proactive congressional activists in office, always willing to put exactly nothing on the line in order to make some moron somewhere start to almost feel theoretically safer, in exchange for massive inconvenience to all the law-abiding people, and almost no inconvenience for the lawbreakers. Whoopy-gorram-doo.

~GnSx
 
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. I'm sure that right this moment, some tweeking grad student is working out how to get around this so he can produce his drug of choice. All this legislation will do is further inconvenience the innocent and the ill.

I don't need Sudafed or NyQyuil all that often, but when I do I'm usually rather gumpy. I also know when I'm most infectious with what ever crud I have at the time.

"No Sudafed? *COUGH* Thats *SNEEZE* a stinking *COUGH* *COUGH* load!"


:evil:
 
"possession of precursor materials" ???

So I could be arrested for having a gun/knife/ballbat as a precursor to maybe they think I'm thinking about robbery?

That precursor?

A thought?

Vick
 
The only thing that will slow the production/consumption of meth will be the introduction of a newer, better, more tweakerific substance. This stuff will be more potent and easier to cook. It will be produced from nylon, used motor oil, dryer lint and Tabasco sauce. (possession of any two of the above will land you in a federal prison for twenty-five years.) Meth sales will plummet as cooks and users alike flock to the new drug. The .gov folk will pounce on this as "proof" of their stunning success in The War Against Some Drugs.
 
There's no reason to put NyQuil behind the counter. Liquid products containing pseudoephedrine don't translate well to meth cooking.

But, the maker of good old NyQuil has begun to reformulate. The DayQuil gelcaps (and prob. the NyQuil ones as well) have the new PE stuff.

/fiancee is a pharmacist
 
Someone in the drug side of LE told me the problem ain't the box of Nyquil. The problem is the 5 gallon bucket of Pseudafed-style of pills coming from (hold on now) from across the Mexican border. What will the proposed legislation do to interdict Mexican shipments?
 
Sad think is that this won't stop the mom and pop meth labs. You don't NEED pseudoephedrine to make meth. It's just the easier way. There are other methods that I won't discuss. (Getting an A in chemistry is handy.:rolleyes: ) Some involve the use of white phosphorus and other, even MORE dangerous chemicals then are currently being used with pseudoephedrine. As said before, the meth will continue to flow free over the border.:(
 
At my local Pharmacy they moved all the psuedophedrine based meds behind the counter months ago. You have to ask the Pharmacist and show ID. Then you can not buy more than 2 packages at once.
Next thing you know, they'll put butane lighters behind the counter too. Afterall, if you can't light your crack pipe then you can't smoke it. Oh and don't forget spoons, can't cook the smack without a spoon so let's lock up all the spoons too while we're at it. :rolleyes:
 
Lawmakers hope that federal restrictions — included in the agreement reached Thursday to reauthorize the USA Patriot Act — will stem a meth trade that has hit rural America particularly hard.

Law makers hope lots of stupid things. Their only realistic hope is that lots of people are dumb enough to keep reelecting them.
 
Stores would be required to keep medicines like Sudafed and Nyquil behind the counter and consumers would be limited to 3.6 grams, or about 120 pills, per day and 9 grams, or about 300 pills, a month. Purchasers would also need to show a photo ID and sign a logbook.
Insanity.
You want cold medicine? Papers, comrade, you know that stuff is rationed.
 
The Texas and Oklahoma experience on putting it (Sudafed, etc.) "behind the counter" resulted in the volume buyers/shoplifters just migrating into the adjacent states to acquire the feedstocks. Just "pushed" a "local" problem "next door" for "them" to deal with.

I guess I look at this as pretty petty and not worth a loss of sleep - so I talk to the counter folks, get my meds, pay and walk. If it slows down some of the property crime in our rural area, then it's great.

If you're more worried about Congress and their allocations of resources, that's a whole different topic, that probably doesn't belong on THR?

My .02
 
This gubmint meddlin' really ticks me off!!

-pax has brought up an excellent rebuttal in regard as to what happens when a kid bursts an eardrum due to restrictions on meds with certain ingredients.

-Prohibition anyone?

-Nope, all these enactments are part of the indoctrination to control folks. It is not about guns, meth, or War On "[ ]" - it is about Control.

-Feel good , warm and fuzzies so folks continue to give up Liberties in hopes of Freedom.

-Laws have existed on the books for many many years to deal with matters, just instead of being able to do their jobs, LEOs have been hampered by PC media and the Politics of someone higher up the ladder wanting votres - or to steal more money.

Add the Courts cutting folks loose because an "i" did not get dotted hard enough or a "t" didn't get crossed just right. Let us not forget some clown in some agency of PC clout figures the perp did not get a B-day party one year and therefore did not 'socially develop' - not the perps fault, not the parents fault for not parenting...friggin' gubmint should have thrown the kid a party or somesuch.

Screw the rules. I on purpose went in and bought Sudaphed, matches, mineral spirits, and even a small aluminum coffee pot - daring someone to call me on it. They did not. Yes I was CCW-ing as well.

Go visit a Vet, they have many meds used for animals that work on humans. Hey, when a Vet has a sample of a antibiotic and you need one...same thing.

My theory is Gubmint is being so busy 'watching' - they ain't seeing. This past semester I watched live feed from a hidden camera aimed at a park "of suspected meth activity" in the birdhouse of a elderly lady. I found it ironic as hell nobody understood how this ladies neighbor had a window busted in and a TV stolen.

Maybe time to start making mooshine again. All I need is shoe polish bottles.
I mean Nyquil is what - 80% alcohol? What folks did in the old days, Alcohol to get sleepy, asprin for fever, and I'm sure there has to be some kind of decongestant for the family pet. Good grief - pets even have shrinks now-a-days.

When the Policemen become the criminal - the people have to become the Policeman Atlas Shrugged
 
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