Congress poised to pass anti-meth law

[Joejojoba111]

Umm, I don't mean to nit-pick, but wasn't meth a *reaction* to import restrictions on cocaine???

"Well, we can't import cocaine so easily anymore, so lets see what we can make out of ingredients in our kitchen. Oh, hey, this is the sort of the same, cool."

I really don't think that people would be smoking Drano but for economic reasons.

 

[Crosshair]

U.S.SFC_RET

Good legislation. Stops the local meth labs and the terribly expensive cleanups.

Nope, probably even MORE expensive cleanups because the meth heads need to use other substitute ingredients that make even MORE dangerous byproducts.

 

[AStone]

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

Nailed that one.

Sindawe, where you been?

Oh, wait, never mind: shooting paint balls with lithe younger women. Worthy endeavor.

It is not about guns, meth, or War On "[ ]" - it is about Control.

Nailed that one, too.
{Cap C noted.}

Nem

 

[O.F.Fascist]

Well now we have to show ID and sign a "logbook" for buying cold medacine.

Wonder how much longer it will be before that will be standard operating procedure for buying anything.

Its for the children after all.

 

[zahc]

Why not just make cooking meth illegal?

 

[The Drew]

anhydrous amonia (sp?) is also a precursor chemical, that is used in farming... Why not strictly control that??? as most people never come in contact with that in their daily lives, but they do use psuedophedrine regularly for perfectly legit purposes... (most of this nation has bad sinus' and allergies)

It would make MUCH MORE sense to me that farmers that need or use the amonia, get permits for it's use. Instead, we are going to burden not only retailers across the nation, but people who take these drugs to alleviate their cold and allergy symtoms... Yeah... that's smart...

 

[sm]

Well actually some areas folks are "cooking' it is illegal according to fire codes anyway. One is not supposed to bring in cooking stuff into some hotels...
One is not supposed to tresspass onto / into areas marked "No trespassing" and set up cooking in delapidated buildings.

Years ago I wrote a paper for English Comp. This essay actually made it into the new textbook the Chair of English Dept wrote.

Back then it was Crack. I mean I was able to go to Library and find out how to make crack cocaine. Facinating. I didn't know squat about 'puters and 'Net back then...
Using Microfiche , journals and other research methods - this was not hard to do.

The Profits made from a small amount of cocaine are staggering!!

To this day TPTB have NEVER required me to show ID, or limit the number of boxes of Arm & Hammer Baking Soda - or any Generic brand of Baking Soda.

Just one ingredient used to make crack rocks. This is not rocket science folks- I mean look at who is making this stuff.

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I have seen the cocaine addicted babies been born and die shortly afterwards. The ones that lived...well some were not living - just existing. There were some miracle babies that survived and doing fine...

I have seen the beautiful people turn ugly , wither and die. I have seen the remnants of a bulding or mobile home burned up...and I don't care if I was 50yds away behind a big rock...still too damn close when explodes.

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Nope, it is all about Control.

Create a situation to which TPTB have the "solution". Media is used to promote the lies, skew data, and spread the "solution". Pass enough laws to make everyone feel "safer" - all the while more laws make everyone a criminal of something.

Your pet might get stolen, let us implant a chip. Elderly folks may fall and be unconcious, or be in a car wreck - you will feel so much 'safer' knowing ALL the Old folks Medical records are on that chip...

If you have a RFID or Chip, hey, we can scan you for the meds you need for runny nose...here ya go citizen.

Ya know, since BGs use money, and well BGs hold up folks for money...why don't we just quit printing paper. All that hassle of printing it, getting it to and fro, all them nasty germs...we will make everyone 'safer' and just do this chip dealie, I mean do you not feel 'safer' citizen?

I mean it works for Fluffy when he gets lost, for getting runny nose meds, Grandma didn't even have to do all that stupid paperwork last time she went in for a check-up.
Besides with all this socialized medicine now , so much less hassles for you citizens.

Granite will erode by drops of water. It starts with one drop, then another, then continues. This erosion is subtle, takes time. Upon inspection very hard to see any erosion. Then one day it is very apparent, the damage is done, it cannot be reversed.

I am sick and damn tired of Tyranny pissing on my Granite of Freedoms.

We have allowed too much pissing to occur already, time to stop the stream.

 

[Crosshair]

Funny thing is that there are some people in town who mkae polish as part of a small business. (Actualy rather good stuff) They buy about 100 gallons of paint thinner from me at the store I work at every few weeks or so. They buy 100 gallons of paint thinner and the only thing we care about is that they can pay for it. The issue of anhydrous ammonia is crazy as well. WHY NOT limit access to it, it is already. Just make it harder to steal from the tanks. You can stil make meth without AP, but it gets REALLY HARD to do without it.

 

[hso]

Bad legislation. Hinders the tens of millions of cold/flue/alergy sufferers purchasing over the counter meds to limit a few thousand criminals.

 

[stevelyn]

Great. Current laws banning some drugs aren't working so they enact laws to ban more drugs.:banghead:

 

[Beren]

I feel safer already. Thank God for these laws against awful drugs. I don't want you to put anything into your body I don't approve of, and I don't want to be tempted either, because I have no self-discipline!

It's sad that noone has considered an alternative solution to the danger of amateur meth labs - decriminalize the production, sale, and consumption of meth. Regulate its production, sale, and consumption as we do alcohol. The amateurs won't be able to compete, will close up shop, and no longer pose a threat. Those who abuse meth will smoke their brains and also no longer pose a concern. Those who use meth without abusing it can have their fun at a much cheaper price, with known quality control, in the privacy of their home.

Oh, I forgot. Real Liberty is too much of a friggin' risk.

 

[wmenorr67]

It is funny though how the this guy is complaining that it won't make an existing state law weaker.

Hammonds said he was disappointed the federal bill would not pre-empt more restrictive laws in states like Oklahoma and Iowa, where cold remedies are sold from behind pharmacy counters. At least 37 states have enacted laws to restrict the sale of cold medications to starve meth manufacturers of their key ingredient.

What happended to state's rights to take care of their own. This should be a state issue not a federal one.

 

[benEzra]

This is absolutely freaking ridiculous. My wife and I both have sinus conditions and prior to this hysteria, we always bought about 4 packs of sudafed per month. A combination of sudafed and BC are also the ONLY effective treatment I've found for chronic sinus headaches. We'd also buy some Nyquil from time to time.

Three packages per month is less than we've been buying, so we'll have to cut back our use so we don't get raided in the middle of the night or something. And I assume Nyquil counts as one of those "packages"... :banghead:

Oh, regarding Sudafed PE...it's less effective and only has one mode of action compared to the two modes of real Sudafed. Which is why this crap wasn't sold as a competitor to pseudoephedrine-based products until political concerns began to outweigh things like medical efficacy. From Wikipedia:

Phenylephrine hydrochloride is an α-agonist used medically to increase blood pressure, as a decongestant, and also to dilate the pupil.

Although pseudoephedrine is much more commonly used as a nasal decongestant in the United States, because of the possibility that pseudoephedrine can be used in the illegal manufacture of methamphetamine, it is expected that phenylephrine will become more common. In particular, Pfizer, who manufactures the name brand decongestant Sudafed introduced a new formulation in late 2004, "Sudafed PE," that uses phenylephrine instead of pseudoephedrine.

Pfizer was a strong opponent of strict pseudoephedrine laws previous to their introduction of "Sudafed PE", but now that their product is widely available (and currently the primary non-pseudoephedrine decongestant formula), they have changed their position to support legal changes severely restricting the sale of pseudoephedrine products.

Oral phenylephrine is rather extensively metabolised by monoamine oxidase, an enzyme which is present in the stomach and liver. Therefore, it has a rather reduced bioavailability, and hence, less effective as a oral nasal decongestion, compare to orally taken pseudoephedrine. However, because phenylephrine is a direct selective alpha-adrenergic receptor agonist, it does not cause the release of endogeneous noradrenaline like the pseudoephedrine does. This also means that phenylephrine has less side-effects such as CNS stimulation, insomnia, anxiety, irritability and restlessness.

The popular Canadian hot lemon cold remedy Neo Citran, the US Alka-Seltzer Cold Effervescent formula and the UK Lemsip all contain phenylephrine.

Phenylephrine is in the FDA pregnancy category C. This means that it is not known whether it will harm an unborn baby. Do not use this medication without first talking to your doctor if you are pregnant or nursing.

BTW, I suspect it's the release of endogeneous noradrenaline that makes regular sudafed so effective against headaches (perhaps analogous to the way caffeine fights headaches when combined with NSAID's). Meaning if pseodoephedrine is ever banned, I am going to be seriously up a creek.

I also note that Pfizer opposed the banning of pseodoephedrine until they realized that they could make a killing selling phenylephrine-based products instead.

 

[AStone]

This is absolutely freaking ridiculous. My wife and I both have sinus conditions and prior to this hysteria, we always bought about 4 packs of sudafed per month. A combination of sudafed and BC are also the ONLY effective treatment I've found for chronic sinus headaches.

I have a suggestion for treating your sinuses, benEzra. It's going to sound weird, but is much cheaper that OTC drugs, easier on your body, and it works very, very well. As a MAJOR sinus sufferer since kid ('hay fever'), I've used this technique for years. I haven't eaten an antihistamine for over a decade because I haven't needed them.

I taught this technique - which I learned in a book on sinus remedies - to a friend whose allergies regularly wound him up in emergency rooms. He's been symptom free ever since.

OK, enough sales pitch. Give this a try. Give it a few days, practice the technique. Key idea: go SLOW at first; you will get used to it, regardless of how weird it feels at first.

Technique: go to a drug store and get a "blue bulb" (used for some thing having to do with kids ... flushing their ears ?)

Now, fill a coffee cup with 1 c warm water. (Not scalding, but a bit hotter than 'pleasant'.) In the water, dissolve 1/4 to 1/2 tsp salt.

Fill bulb with ~1/2 the water. Standing over the bathroom sink, close one nostril by pinching with a finger. Insert bulb up other nostil (I told you this was going to sound weird), and GENTLY squirt the salt water into your nostil. Let it run down your throat and out your mouth into the sink (of course). Rotate your head, sideways, back & forth as you do so. (Loads the maxillary, frontal & sphenoid sinuses.)

Repeat for the other nostril.

Afterwards, gently blow your nose into the sink (or a heavy tissue...there's going to be a lot of water up there).

The hot water & salt cut the mucus, washing allergens out. No allergens, no sinus issues. The trick is to get the temperature and salt concentration right. Too much salt or (worse) too little is uncomfortable. Adjust accordingly. (You're aiming for a 'physiological saline'.)

In allergy season, I do this twice per day: morning & evening. More often as needed.

The only down side to this is, sometimes water will stay up in your sinuses until you're out in public. You bend over to get something off the bottom shelf at the grocery and an 1/8 c of water drains out. You can get some pretty funny looks from folks when that happens.

Hope this helps.

Of course, next the gov will allege there's some problems with blue bulbs and try to regulate them too.

Nem

 

[Sindawe]

Ah yes, the neti pot. Your milage may vary, but I've found that this http://www.pharmacy-solutions.com/sinus-instr.htm works better than the blue bulb or true neti pot. Since I already had a WaterPik, I only had to buy the nasal tip.

 

[Justin]

Good legislation. Stops the local meth labs and the terribly expensive cleanups.

I applaud you for your sublime sense of satire.

 

[22-rimfire]

I don't think we need a federal law. Many states have already passed legislation. Individual pharmacies were requiring ID prior to the law in my area due to the meth problem.

 

[Beren]

meth criminalization problem

Fixed it for you.

 

[Daniel T]

I applaud you for your sublime sense of satire.

I applaud you for your enternal optimism!

 

[roo_ster]

I'll be a better man without easy access to my sinus meds.

Tell me, is it against the law to hawk nasty, fat, ropey loogies from deep within my sinus cavities on our honored representatives?

 

[ArmedBear]

Solution: Stop squeezing F&G budget

How about this...

We make drugs legal. Don't regulate them, don't do anything, don't spend tax money, don't conduct illegal searches, don't tie up our law enforcement officers and material resources.

Turn the whole thing over to the Department of Fish and Game (or whatever you call it in your home state).

I oppose any laws designed to interfere with voluntary actions involving consenting adults -- if there's no coercion and no deception, then there is no criminal act in my opinion.

But I think we can all agree that meth cooks are vermin. Let's have them officially and legally declared vermin, then. Add them to the "varmint" list, open season all year, no bag limit. F&G safety laws apply when hunting in populated areas.