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One in the Chamber

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Rossshady120, Oct 12, 2008.

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  1. Rossshady120

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    its ringing bells in your head because i don't want blood on my hands its not right to kill someone even if the law says so. i rather rack my slide and have the guy run then to shoot him but you would shoot him and tell your friends you did a good thing. and i think i'm the safer one here who doesn't keep one in the chamber. anyone who sees a gun is going to run unless they have a gun so there it is. i think you need it put the steel down and pick up a plastic x26 because by the sounds of it your going to kill someone
     
  2. tigre

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    If you're not willing to potentially cause a person's death in order to stop a threat to you or your family you shouldn't ever bring a gun into the situation. Learn some other means of self defense.
     
  3. JoeShmoe

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    Rossshady120

    Sounds like you'd be better off carrying a completely empty gun. If showing it to the BG doesn't work, you won't have to worry about shooting him, and you won't be a danger to yourself or others.

    Many of your comments in this thread do indeed raise a red flag.
     
  4. gwnorth

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    Racking the slide to scare the BG could actually work against you. A BG with a gun may just interpret that as you are about to shoot, so he may decide to just beat you to it and fire away.

    I'd think absolute stealth is your best approach - last thing you want to do is spook an armed BG.

    My HD guns are either a 1911 in condition 1, or a SIG P226, loaded, chambered and de-cocked. Spare mag in a nylon pouch with each gun. And my cell phone and a big d-cell mag-lite right nearby too.
     
  5. XD-40 Shooter

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    I keep my XD-40 chambered, 24/7 - 365.:D All I have to do is pick it up, aim it, pull the trigger. I can also check the status of the gun in the dark very easily, run my hand along the top of the slide, if the extractor is raised, then a round is chambered.:)
     
  6. psyopspec

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    Rossshady120, please realize that your gun is not a talisman. It has no magical properties. It is a mechanical device that, when used properly, may potentially help stop a deadly threat to your life.

    DO NOT carry a gun for defense unless you are prepared to fire it for that purpose, unless you have a hankering to get beat to death or shot with your own pistol.
     
  7. BrennanKG

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    My handguns are kept loaded and chambered, despite the presence of a school-age child.
    Why are my handguns kept loaded and chambered?
    Because we have handguns for self-defense, and in a self-defense situation...any self-defense situation, you want as many factors under your control as possible. The further your handgun/firearm is from ready to shoot, the closer it is to being an expensive club at best and a liability at worst.

    Do I leave firearms sitting around on nightstands? No, of course not, but that's not we're discussing here.

    I would no more keep a home defense handgun without a round chambered, than I would carry around a concealed handgun without a round chambered...not a chance in hell.

    All of the arguments for keeping or carrying handguns w/o the first round chambered sound to me like justification for lack of training/range time and comfort with safe firearms practices.


    Cheers,
    B.
     
  8. Deanimator

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    It's perfectly right to kill somebody if they're wrongfully endangering your life and limb or that of another innocent party.

    If you make me shoot you it's because you're doing something so unacceptable that it's better for you to be seriously injured or die rather than for you to continue. If I shoot someone it would be to stop them. Unfortunately for them, all of the best ways to "stop" someone frequently do so by KILLING them. That's life in the big city. Don't want to get shot? Don't put people in reasonable fear of immediate threat to life and limb. Don't want to die? Don't make people shoot you. That's not very tough to understand. And yet, every day, stupid people fail to understand it. Well, I can't control that. What I CAN control is their overt behaviors which threaten my immediate well being. If that control has to take the form of a bullet in the head, I'm perfectly willing to go down that path, and with no regrets.

    That having been said, since I feel no guilt in defending myself, I feel no guilt in doing so in an expeditious, efficient way. If you're stupid enough to make me shoot you, I'm not going to risk my life to see if you're JUST smart enough to see a gun and make an appropriate decision about your next course of action based thereon. Of course I often carry a revolver. How exactly do I carry a revolver without "one in the chamber"?

    It's pretty obvious to me that you don't know that much about firearms, self-defense, and the law and that you're making poorly thought out decisions based on that ignorance.

    Of course it's your right to needlessly endanger yourself based on faulty assumptions and reasoning. It's also my right to not risk my own life to protect an assailant by doing the same.
     
  9. Deanimator

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    And that message is, "My firearm is not ready for immediate use in my defense." That's not a message I want to convey.

    If you end up in close contact with an assailant, what makes you think he's going LET you rack the slide? For everyone's education, please tell us how you rack a slide with one hand. What are you going to do? Tell your assailant, "Let go of my left arm, otherwise I can't chamber a round and SHOOT you!"?

    No, it could mean the difference between someone taking YOUR life or not.

    So then, you're offering to co-sign a home loan with anybody in a bad neighborhood who can't afford to move, but can afford a German police surplus P6? Thank goodness you're here now that we can't count on Fanny Mae anymore!

    And that doctor in Connecticut in the fancy neighborhood, you know, the one who had his whole family slaughtered in their bedrooms by a couple of savages? To WHERE should he have moved? Antarctica? The moon?
     
  10. orionengnr

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    Let me get this straight:

    You come here asking for advice. (At least I think that was your intent...your inability/unwillingness to use capitalization, punctuation or sentence structure makes your posts largely unintelligible.)

    When you are given some advice, you reject it and then argue with those whose advice you sought.

    You state that you are "under 21"... and judging from your communication skills, that could mean anything from 8 years old on up.

    Look, just go ahead and do whatever you like--you are obviously going to anyway. Just understand this: extraneous loading/unloading (also known as "administrative handlng") is a causal factor in many NDs.

    Most people understand this and act accordingly.

    You clearly have a lot to learn, and I sincerely hope you don't learn it at someone else's expense. :rolleyes:
     
  11. moooose102

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    keep it ready to rock! in a true emergency, the less that can go wrong, is one less thing that will. when your life depends on it, do you really want to alert the b.g. that you have a gun and where you are? sometimes, stealth is a very good thing, indeed!
     
  12. red headed stranger

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    About the recahmbering issue.

    The potential problem with rechambering a round numerous times is that the bullet can get seated further into the brass case. Therefore, when you fire the gun, the pressure inside the case could be considerably more than the case or your gun is designed to withstand. This can cause the proverbial "kaboom" that may damage the gun or yourself.

    IT is not a common occurrence, but it is something to take note of.
     
  13. VHinch

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    Anyone else starting to smell troll?

    At any rate, I would highly encourage the OP to seek out some professional firearms training. The attitude displayed in his posts clearly indicate a poor understanding of the mindset required to carry a weapon for self defense, and seems highly likely to get himself or someone else killed.
     
  14. nalioth

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    I believe the polite way of putting that is: "Does anyone smell mutton?".
     
  15. Treo

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    I'm not ready to say "Troll" yet but something in the milk is definetly not clean.

    I think this is more a 12B (onetobee) than a troll
     
  16. BrennanKG

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    Truly?
    See, ol' Rossshady here doesn't really strike me as a combat engineer. But if you say so I'll bow to your superior knowledge.

    ;)
    B.
     
  17. Crazy Fingers

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    I am a gun fidgeter. I like to play with them. Cock their hammers, then release them with my thumb, etc. I always check for a loaded chamber before I go messing with them, but still choose not to keep a loaded round in the chamber just in case.

    I keep a pistol on my nightstand. The other night I was awoken to a loud noise about 2am. (The neighbors, it turns out, were setting off mortars for some reason :cuss:) I woke up, grabbed that pistol almost instantly, and racked the slide. Total time was almost certainly less than 2 seconds. My girlfriend was very impressed. In my experience, when that adrenaline hits you, you'll hop right out of bed feeling more awake than you would if you took a dozen caffiene pills.
     
  18. jaydubya

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    RossShady, I find it easy to imagine you holding your Glock horizontally so as to impress your buddies as to how cool you are. For you it is all about show and tell. I have six battle stars on my Vietnam Service Ribbon which, in case you didn't know, means I have a fair understanding of bang bang. With your present attitude, you would not survive your first encounter with bang bang. On the other hand, I don't believe you are a troll, just a kid at heart.
    Jack
     
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  19. Treo

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    OMG there's one in every bunch isn't there:)

    If that's your experience fine I'm glad it worked for you. I got jumped (while wide awake) in a parking lot once while carrying condition three in the stress (read "panic") of the moment I completely forgot to chamber a round. Luckily the defensive display was enough but I learned my lesson I never carried W/ an empty chamber again.

    Now to specifically answer the OP
    No you should not have a round in the chamber. You should not be allowed unrestricted access to a firearm under any circumstances W/out direct, responsible, adult supervision.
     
  20. Johnny Guest

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    This thread is making me uneasy.

    Original poster asks for advice and then argues with it. The advisors begin arguing with one another. The language starts getting a little rough. Time to stop this stuff, friends.

    The "Carry mode" topic has been discussed at length several times previously. Everyone: Please do a search and read several pages of discussion before starting it again.

    THR is a board for discussion of responsible fireaarms ownership and use, and Second Amendment Rights. It is NOT the place to talk about the best way to impress other people with our scary gun handling techniques. Carry your sidearm -- if you're legally able -- however you want. Keep your home defense firearm in whichever mode you wish. Everyone here has his/her mind made up and no one will change anyone else's opinion.

    Enough. Closed.

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