one more historical question: what as the most powerfull bp revolver catridge
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The .45 Colt in 1873....I think.
.45-70.
http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand.asp?ProductCode=BFR45-707
Just because there weren't revolvers for it back in the black powder days and there aren't that many factories loading them with black powder now, doesn't necessarily make it any less a "black powder revolver cartridge."
http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand.asp?ProductCode=BFR45-707
Just because there weren't revolvers for it back in the black powder days and there aren't that many factories loading them with black powder now, doesn't necessarily make it any less a "black powder revolver cartridge."
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Just want to make sure you DO mean cartridge as opposed to a percussion revolver, right??
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What about the British .577 revolver?
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Howdahs
Howdahs were made in both muzzle loading and cartridge loading varients.
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Howdahs were made in both muzzle loading and cartridge loading varients.
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IMO, it's kind of a toss-up between the .45 Colt as originally loaded with 38 gr. of powder under a 250 gr. bullet and the .44/40 (.44 WCF) with a 200 gr. slug over 40 gr. IIRC, these can't be easily duplicated with modern solid-head brass, as the case just won't hold that much powder.
Mike Venturino, who's probably done more systematic testing with BP cartridges, revolver and rifle, than anyone else in the game did a very interesting article on the subject titled "Old West Pistol Power" in the Jan/Feb issue of "American Handgunner".
While the main focus was comparison of relative penetration as tested with a baffle box, the chronograph numbers should shed some light.
.44/40: 205 gr. LFP, 40 gr. Swiss FFFg: 1060 f/s from a 7.5" SAA
.45 Colt: 250 gr. LFP, 38 gr. Swiss: 1050 f/s also from a 7.5" SAA
BTW, testing was pretty comprehensive. Included a .31 Baby Dragoon, .36 1851, .44 1860, Richards conversions in .38 Colt and .44 Colt, .44 S&W American from an original #3, .44 Russian from a Navy Arms replica #3, and .45 S&W from a SAA in addition to the above. He compared them with modern .32 ACP, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP to add contrast.
Mike Venturino, who's probably done more systematic testing with BP cartridges, revolver and rifle, than anyone else in the game did a very interesting article on the subject titled "Old West Pistol Power" in the Jan/Feb issue of "American Handgunner".
While the main focus was comparison of relative penetration as tested with a baffle box, the chronograph numbers should shed some light.
.44/40: 205 gr. LFP, 40 gr. Swiss FFFg: 1060 f/s from a 7.5" SAA
.45 Colt: 250 gr. LFP, 38 gr. Swiss: 1050 f/s also from a 7.5" SAA
BTW, testing was pretty comprehensive. Included a .31 Baby Dragoon, .36 1851, .44 1860, Richards conversions in .38 Colt and .44 Colt, .44 S&W American from an original #3, .44 Russian from a Navy Arms replica #3, and .45 S&W from a SAA in addition to the above. He compared them with modern .32 ACP, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP to add contrast.
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The 1866 Webley/Tranter/Boxer Revolvers
A solid frame centre fire double-action revolver, the revolver was designed to take the most powerful hand gun cartridge of the day - the .577 Boxer.
O.A. Length- 1.225
Case Length- .800
Case Dia.- .658 head/ .638 mouth
Bullet Dia.- .618
Bullet Wgt.- 450grs.
P.C.- 28 grs FFF
M.V.- 725
It was a formidable weapon, and until the advent of the .41 and .44 magnums it possessed greater stopping power than any other hand gun.
A solid frame centre fire double-action revolver, the revolver was designed to take the most powerful hand gun cartridge of the day - the .577 Boxer.
O.A. Length- 1.225
Case Length- .800
Case Dia.- .658 head/ .638 mouth
Bullet Dia.- .618
Bullet Wgt.- 450grs.
P.C.- 28 grs FFF
M.V.- 725
It was a formidable weapon, and until the advent of the .41 and .44 magnums it possessed greater stopping power than any other hand gun.
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Gave you what I was able to find & that wasn't amoungst the Data.
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muzzle energy
I ran the numbers. Assuming the colonel's data are correct, that works out to 525 ft*lbf worth of kinetic energy at the muzzle.
I ran the numbers. Assuming the colonel's data are correct, that works out to 525 ft*lbf worth of kinetic energy at the muzzle.
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You can look it up Yourself, if you've a Mind to in Dowell's, "The Webley Story", that's where I Copied it from.
You can look it up Yourself, if you've a Mind to in Dowell's, "The Webley Story", that's where I Copied it from.
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