Too true.
One thing I could never understand.....
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Too true.
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There is more to the Constitution than just the 2nd Amendment. Unless there is full overlap in the policies between the two choices, you're going to be making a choice which bargains on parts of the Constitution.
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"Pleeeeease. Obama is not touching the gun control with a 6 ft pole. He has a party to support you know."
A Party whose base and whose leadership all support complete gun bans.
"This hasn't been a high priority for them for a while now and I doubt it would become one any time soon."
Really?
11/11/2012 08:11 PM
... “It’s obvious that our warnings over the past several months have been true,” said Alan Gottlieb, founder and executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation, based in Bellevue, Wash.
Less than 24 hours after winning re-election, the Obama’s administration joined with China, France, Germany and the United Kingdom, and more than 150 other governments, in*supporting renewed debate on the proposed United Nations arms trade treaty, confirming the worst fears of the American gun rights community,” said the founder of SAF, which*was in 1974, and which has grown to more than 650,000 members and supporters ...
...“The election was called about 11 p.m. Tuesday and by 11 a.m. this morning, we got word that the United States was supporting this resolution. We have to be more vigilant in*our efforts to stop this proposed treaty,” he said.
The vote came at the U.N. General Assembly’s meeting of the First Committee on Disarmament at the world organization’s headquarters in New York City.
According to a State Department webpage devoted to the Arms Trade Treaty, the Obama administration strongly supports the treaty potential.
“The ATT should include all advanced conventional weapons, including tanks, armored combat vehicles, artillery systems, military aircraft, military helicopters, naval vessels,*missiles, missile launchers, small arms and light weapons, and combat support equipment. It should also include parts, components, and/or technology to manufacture, modify,*or repair the covered items,” the webpage said...
rest of article here: http://www.humanevents.com/2012/11/...-for-un-arms-trade-treaty-day-after-election/
A Party whose base and whose leadership all support complete gun bans.
"This hasn't been a high priority for them for a while now and I doubt it would become one any time soon."
Really?
11/11/2012 08:11 PM
... “It’s obvious that our warnings over the past several months have been true,” said Alan Gottlieb, founder and executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation, based in Bellevue, Wash.
Less than 24 hours after winning re-election, the Obama’s administration joined with China, France, Germany and the United Kingdom, and more than 150 other governments, in*supporting renewed debate on the proposed United Nations arms trade treaty, confirming the worst fears of the American gun rights community,” said the founder of SAF, which*was in 1974, and which has grown to more than 650,000 members and supporters ...
...“The election was called about 11 p.m. Tuesday and by 11 a.m. this morning, we got word that the United States was supporting this resolution. We have to be more vigilant in*our efforts to stop this proposed treaty,” he said.
The vote came at the U.N. General Assembly’s meeting of the First Committee on Disarmament at the world organization’s headquarters in New York City.
According to a State Department webpage devoted to the Arms Trade Treaty, the Obama administration strongly supports the treaty potential.
“The ATT should include all advanced conventional weapons, including tanks, armored combat vehicles, artillery systems, military aircraft, military helicopters, naval vessels,*missiles, missile launchers, small arms and light weapons, and combat support equipment. It should also include parts, components, and/or technology to manufacture, modify,*or repair the covered items,” the webpage said...
rest of article here: http://www.humanevents.com/2012/11/...-for-un-arms-trade-treaty-day-after-election/
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They are waiting for the next high profile mass murder case.
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Not quite true. Google 'Democratic Gun Owners' Caucus' and you'll find several orgs that are working to change that perception directly. The verbiage of the Firearms platform is repugnant to many folks inside the party and will not be repeated in 2016.
RKBA is not a Conservative issue and stopping another AWB or continuation of the 'gun show loophole' nonsense is up to all of us to undertake.
Perhaps you can aware me on the most recent anti-gun legislation that has been passed at the federal level...
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"Google 'Democratic Gun Owners' Caucus' and you'll find several orgs that are working to change that perception directly..."
WADR, I would think its more important to actually change your leadership and your base who support total gun bans, than working to simply change the "perception". (And I say that as someone very used to futility, living in NY with Chuck Schumer as a Senator).
"The verbiage of the Firearms platform is repugnant to many folks inside the party and will not be repeated in 2016."
Good luck with that.
I hope you have a less embarrassing time changing your Platform's language than your Chair did at the recent 2012 DNC.
For those who weren't watching, the DNC Chair had to resort to illegally ramming through changes in in the Democrat's Party platform, inserting language that (barely) mentioned God, and an undivided Jerusalem, and he had to do so over the objections of the majority of delegates who both wrote / supported the obnoxious platform, as well as who clearly voted NO to the changes.
"RKBA is not a Conservative issue"
Really, you are now in the business of telling us Conservatives what are and what are not our issues? Hopefully you won't insist on dictating our positions to us at the point of a gun ( : >).
"and stopping another AWB or continuation of the 'gun show loophole' nonsense is up to all of us to undertake."
WADR again, and admitting that I, like many was not enamored of Romney's flip-flopping on the issues over the years, you and your Blue Gun groups had four years to change the direction of this administration with respect to the 2nd Amendment, and yet Barack Hussein Obama called for reinstating the AWB during the 2nd debate, and these are (from his campaign's website) the actual anti-2A platform positions that he ran on in the election last week:
I am sorry but we missed reading of anyone standing up at the DNC trying to change that language in the Party platform.
WADR, I would think its more important to actually change your leadership and your base who support total gun bans, than working to simply change the "perception". (And I say that as someone very used to futility, living in NY with Chuck Schumer as a Senator).
"The verbiage of the Firearms platform is repugnant to many folks inside the party and will not be repeated in 2016."
Good luck with that.
I hope you have a less embarrassing time changing your Platform's language than your Chair did at the recent 2012 DNC.
For those who weren't watching, the DNC Chair had to resort to illegally ramming through changes in in the Democrat's Party platform, inserting language that (barely) mentioned God, and an undivided Jerusalem, and he had to do so over the objections of the majority of delegates who both wrote / supported the obnoxious platform, as well as who clearly voted NO to the changes.
"RKBA is not a Conservative issue"
Really, you are now in the business of telling us Conservatives what are and what are not our issues? Hopefully you won't insist on dictating our positions to us at the point of a gun ( : >).
"and stopping another AWB or continuation of the 'gun show loophole' nonsense is up to all of us to undertake."
WADR again, and admitting that I, like many was not enamored of Romney's flip-flopping on the issues over the years, you and your Blue Gun groups had four years to change the direction of this administration with respect to the 2nd Amendment, and yet Barack Hussein Obama called for reinstating the AWB during the 2nd debate, and these are (from his campaign's website) the actual anti-2A platform positions that he ran on in the election last week:
I am sorry but we missed reading of anyone standing up at the DNC trying to change that language in the Party platform.
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The comment to which I was replying (and the link / quote that I provided) were in regard to this High Roader
summarizing his thoughts on the FUTURE potential of more anti-gun legislation.
So your position is that the Democratic party's base and leadership support a complete ban on guns...yet they haven't done anything about that, even when they had the House, the Senate, and the Presidency?
Sure, there is no denying that the most rabid anti gunners have always and probably always will be Democrats (though you get a RINO once in awhile), but at the national level gun control is political suicide. At the national/big picture level, the entirety of the Democrat voting base is NOT in favor of a complete ban on guns. Not even close. Saying so is just baseless hysteria. We have a little too much of that (hysteria) going around right now.
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Wow. What a piece of work. How many code words is that? 8? I'm not familiar with the "Tiahrt Amendment", but "gun trace info" is probably one too, though I'm not counting it. Possibly "police...tools" as well? The F&F administration reccommending arms trafficking and gun tracing measures--ridiculous. It may not be wise to take a shot every time it's "for the children," either
(this last one goes for both parties while at parties
)There's a reason the Democratic party is "percieved" as antagonistic to gun owners
That said, I applaud the efforts of any Democrats to steer at least this one portion of their platform back toward the Constitution. Let's not forget there are perhaps more Republicans who would prefer to see additional infringement than Democrats pushing for governmental restraint.
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Ya, that worked real well for all the Japanese in the US during WWII, the bar owners and distillers during prohibition, and the owners of private aircraft and airfields around DC after 9/11 (and TO THIS DAY).
Just because some law says the government can not do something does not mean they won't do it anyway, and worry about the consequences, if any, later.
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Warp said:
Yeah .... they didn't do anything about the economy during that period, either.
blarby
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False, and completely misleading- but OK.
Odd, considering you seem to have ours all figured out.
This would be the part where moderation steps in, and ends the political bickering, and gets this back on track....................right ?
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Sorry Warp - you are the reason these threads exist - you voting for the very person who would take your rights away-either because you have no idea about government or you truly believe some union diatribe does not lessen the fact that you are wrong.
If you truly believe in the socialist path, then surrender your guns now because they do not belong in the lifestyle of ANY US resident.............
If you truly believe in the socialist path, then surrender your guns now because they do not belong in the lifestyle of ANY US resident.............
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