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WOW! Quick recap fellas:
First post: Praising Israeli teachers for neutralizing terrorist threat to children
Second post: Agreement
Third post: CountGlockula doesn't think Israel is handing out guns quick enough to its citizens
and by the fourth post we are on to the anti-semitic, Israel-hating, Jews control the media blah blah blah from a few rednecks who, well, lets not get into that.....
First off, why is everyone talking about Israel's problems??? Has Israel killed any of your friends or family, bombed our country....??? It seems to me like there's about 4 or 5 other countries surrounding Israel that you should be concerned about if your worried about your own safety and not just bitching some anti-semitic rhetoric thats been preached a 1000 different times a 1000 different ways and still sounds about as ignorant and well thought-out as it did on its first run.
Second off, for members of our great country which was founded on the shoulders of people looking for a place to live and practice religion free of persecution, this thread seems to show a serious lack of empathy.
Then you have 230 who just can't believe ONE RABBI said that NOT EVERYONE is qualified to own a gun. What was it 230?? Mind boggling. Utterly mind boggling?? Who would ever think that a clergyman might say that wife abusers and drug-users aren't qualified to own a gun?? Just utterly mind-boggling. Your ignorance, 230, that is.....
Put that into perspective for you, 230, because I'm sure I need to break it down to you: that would basically be the equivalent of me being able to find ONE preacher who renounced guns (because I'm sure that would be so hard) and then saying I can't believe Christian people think like this, seeing as they've been through ___(pick your background's strife)_____.
Not to be outdone, El Tejon adds his two cents that it is amazing that a group of peaceful civilians could be taken over by and organized army so easily.
Still, Ja manages to take the cake by bringing the zionist conspiracy theory to the discussion.
I mean guys....REALLY??
Come on, let's get real. And to think all this discussion started as PRAISE for Israeli teachers being well trained and knowing how to handle the situation.
Like I said, if you are worried about the Middle-East, I think you should be looking elsewhere. I remember a certain two towers and pentagon being attacked a while ago. And oddly enough, while all of the attackers were from that region, none of them were Israeli Jews. Thats strange, because we all know the Jews did it......
First post: Praising Israeli teachers for neutralizing terrorist threat to children
Second post: Agreement
Third post: CountGlockula doesn't think Israel is handing out guns quick enough to its citizens
and by the fourth post we are on to the anti-semitic, Israel-hating, Jews control the media blah blah blah from a few rednecks who, well, lets not get into that.....
First off, why is everyone talking about Israel's problems??? Has Israel killed any of your friends or family, bombed our country....??? It seems to me like there's about 4 or 5 other countries surrounding Israel that you should be concerned about if your worried about your own safety and not just bitching some anti-semitic rhetoric thats been preached a 1000 different times a 1000 different ways and still sounds about as ignorant and well thought-out as it did on its first run.
Second off, for members of our great country which was founded on the shoulders of people looking for a place to live and practice religion free of persecution, this thread seems to show a serious lack of empathy.
Then you have 230 who just can't believe ONE RABBI said that NOT EVERYONE is qualified to own a gun. What was it 230?? Mind boggling. Utterly mind boggling?? Who would ever think that a clergyman might say that wife abusers and drug-users aren't qualified to own a gun?? Just utterly mind-boggling. Your ignorance, 230, that is.....
Put that into perspective for you, 230, because I'm sure I need to break it down to you: that would basically be the equivalent of me being able to find ONE preacher who renounced guns (because I'm sure that would be so hard) and then saying I can't believe Christian people think like this, seeing as they've been through ___(pick your background's strife)_____.
Not to be outdone, El Tejon adds his two cents that it is amazing that a group of peaceful civilians could be taken over by and organized army so easily.
Still, Ja manages to take the cake by bringing the zionist conspiracy theory to the discussion.
I mean guys....REALLY??
Come on, let's get real. And to think all this discussion started as PRAISE for Israeli teachers being well trained and knowing how to handle the situation.
Like I said, if you are worried about the Middle-East, I think you should be looking elsewhere. I remember a certain two towers and pentagon being attacked a while ago. And oddly enough, while all of the attackers were from that region, none of them were Israeli Jews. Thats strange, because we all know the Jews did it......
george29
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Actually Jordan, my pet peeve about someone posting what could be a pure shooting experience and how the Israeli's handle it (which is so far OK) is that without fail, and as you already mentioned, the OP veers from a shooting post to a neo-political rant. IT ALWAYS HAPPENS. Israel, whether one likes them or not, is in the worlds bullseye. There is no other people or country that exudes such emotions from all sides of the religious and political specter, somehow, we all have an opinion on Israel.
I groan inwardly each time someone has this need to show US how THEY do things with the INTENT that WE need to EMULATE THEM in order to make our society work.
Having worked in Military Politics including working with Armed and Unarmed UN observation groups in that area, including a close relationship with their law enforcement community, I know that the Israeli way harms its own citizens as much as it harms its enemies. I'm not Israel bashing when they are fighting for their survival, on the other hand, what does one expect of a people that are fenced in three sides by barbed wire and the sea as a fourth to do, not be offensive in nature?
My other pet peeve is the complete inaccuracies and fallacies posted in the name of the Israelis. portrayed as Supermen and women when they are just regular people who chose to return to their land where the hostilities and animosities have been alive for the past 4000 years if one is to believe the bible (probably closer to 5000 years). If we call the Palestinians Philistines and we call Israelis Israelites, the only difference is that they now scalp each other with jet propelled Tomahawks. Bringing an Israeli solution to anywhere but Israel is therefore an act of futility on numerous plains.
The first is as previously stated; the historical aspect.
The second is that neither the Arab nations, NOR ISRAEL have any type of Constitution, Israel in fact calls itself The Closest Thing to Democracy in the Middle-East, it does not even call itself a Democracy. Well, taking into account their neighbors, that in itself is no boost to being a Democracy. If Israel were to state this and its neighbors were France, Germany and Holland, that would be a feat.
The third reason is that any attack Israelis fend off are presumed to be homocide attacks by suicidal people. This is not our first assumption here, not yet anyway.
The fourth is that there are certain individuals who are issued military owned weapons for self defense, here, all the weapons are privately owned.
Fifth, all shootings between Israelis and Palestinians committed over the green line are investigated by the special Shai unit over the green line and then a MILITARY prosecuter decides whether to prosecute the Israeli citizen.
Last; Israels system of law cannot in anyway be compared to 50 seperate systems in the US and that does not count all the thousands of divergent counties.
I figure though, some yahoo will make another post about Israel in a week or so, and I will do my best to grit my teeth and ignore it. All I know is that America is falling into an abyss of world socialism, Israel is a quasi-socialistic country without many of the benefits of true socialism nor true democracy, and we cannot take lesson from the Israelis because here we still have a written constitution that Israel does not.
H*ll, the Serbians had a way of dealing with their problem too, yet I don't see them mentioned at least once a week.
I groan inwardly each time someone has this need to show US how THEY do things with the INTENT that WE need to EMULATE THEM in order to make our society work.
Having worked in Military Politics including working with Armed and Unarmed UN observation groups in that area, including a close relationship with their law enforcement community, I know that the Israeli way harms its own citizens as much as it harms its enemies. I'm not Israel bashing when they are fighting for their survival, on the other hand, what does one expect of a people that are fenced in three sides by barbed wire and the sea as a fourth to do, not be offensive in nature?
My other pet peeve is the complete inaccuracies and fallacies posted in the name of the Israelis. portrayed as Supermen and women when they are just regular people who chose to return to their land where the hostilities and animosities have been alive for the past 4000 years if one is to believe the bible (probably closer to 5000 years). If we call the Palestinians Philistines and we call Israelis Israelites, the only difference is that they now scalp each other with jet propelled Tomahawks. Bringing an Israeli solution to anywhere but Israel is therefore an act of futility on numerous plains.
The first is as previously stated; the historical aspect.
The second is that neither the Arab nations, NOR ISRAEL have any type of Constitution, Israel in fact calls itself The Closest Thing to Democracy in the Middle-East, it does not even call itself a Democracy. Well, taking into account their neighbors, that in itself is no boost to being a Democracy. If Israel were to state this and its neighbors were France, Germany and Holland, that would be a feat.
The third reason is that any attack Israelis fend off are presumed to be homocide attacks by suicidal people. This is not our first assumption here, not yet anyway.
The fourth is that there are certain individuals who are issued military owned weapons for self defense, here, all the weapons are privately owned.
Fifth, all shootings between Israelis and Palestinians committed over the green line are investigated by the special Shai unit over the green line and then a MILITARY prosecuter decides whether to prosecute the Israeli citizen.
Last; Israels system of law cannot in anyway be compared to 50 seperate systems in the US and that does not count all the thousands of divergent counties.
I figure though, some yahoo will make another post about Israel in a week or so, and I will do my best to grit my teeth and ignore it. All I know is that America is falling into an abyss of world socialism, Israel is a quasi-socialistic country without many of the benefits of true socialism nor true democracy, and we cannot take lesson from the Israelis because here we still have a written constitution that Israel does not.
H*ll, the Serbians had a way of dealing with their problem too, yet I don't see them mentioned at least once a week.
El Tejon
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Jordan, deep breath. I come not to criticize anyone or blame them for all the trouble in the world, just making a historical observation which crosses many cultures. I'm not meshugana.
Try the zen thing like 230.
Try the zen thing like 230.
Thernlund
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Autolycus
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Actually Thernlund they are students however they are members of the armed forces in the country.
Israeli gun laws are very restrictive. Many gunowners have this idealistic belief that Israel is a very highly armed populace but they are not. The military has guns there, not the average citizen.
Israeli gun laws are very restrictive. Many gunowners have this idealistic belief that Israel is a very highly armed populace but they are not. The military has guns there, not the average citizen.
ArfinGreebly
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Well, Rats
This thread showed some promise.
There's very little I can do to clean it up at this point.
Too much cellular damage.
Sorry, guys.
Kudos for teachers defending themselves and their school against bad guys.
Wish we could do that here.
Yup.
This thread showed some promise.
There's very little I can do to clean it up at this point.
Too much cellular damage.
Sorry, guys.
Kudos for teachers defending themselves and their school against bad guys.
Wish we could do that here.
Yup.
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