Opinions/Thoughts on Uberti SAA style revolvers

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Went to the LGS with the fiancé and she spotted this

http://m.uberti.com/zoom.php?z=1004/silo_1004_1873_cattleman_cody_nm_ivory.png

As luck would have it, I had just loaded up 50 "Cowboy" loads using Max recommended Trail Boss and a 255gr Hornady "Cowboy" lead bullet. I told her to try it in my BH first and if she liked it, perhaps we can look into getting that for her. She loves the old western style guns. We bought a pink 10/22 for her daughter and we all went shooting today. Her daughter loved the 10/22 and she loved popping off those reduced cowboy style loads in the BH.

I guess my question is if the Uberti a worth while firearm? Is it a quality piece? I probably wouldn't shoot it much, id have it around for her to take along.
 
Yes, however, Rugers are stronger and will outlast a
Uberti. I like Uberti's but not in the same class. $150
to $200 more you can have a Ruger, but that may not be
An option for you. If your not looking to push the envelope
With hot loads, or handloads, and just want to own a piece
Of the time, and a great shooter, than I think you would
Not be dissatisfied with a Uberti.
 
I've got plenty of other revolvers. This was more for eye candy and for my fiancé to shoot trail boss lead loads out of exclusively. She has minimal interest in modern auto loaders save for my ruger Mk 2 and 3's.

She wants a side by side short barreled shotgun and a carbine to round out her package. She is recoil sensitive but thoroughly enjoyed the trail boss loads I put together for her today.
 
Uberti makes good quality stuff. Rugers are generally considered better guns, but I'm partial to the original style action and that rules out the Ruger. Unless you want to drop the cash on an actual Colt SAA or a USFA, the Uberti is the best bet for the money for a true Colt clone.

If my fiancé wanted one, I'd jump on it. They're good guns and hold good resale value.
 
I have a couple of Uberti's '73 SAA clones made under the Cimarron banner. I like'em very much. They're very nice revolvers, with only a minor issue or two that I can live with. They're both more accurate than I'd have believed before I tried'em, and they hit close enough to POA at 25 yards to call it good.

However...

I'm also aware that they're not Rugers, and...save the use of a coil hand spring instead of the tiny leaf spring of the original...that they have the same weaknesses as the originals. Therefore, I don't cock the hammer with undue force and all ammunition is loaded pretty close to SAAMI specs or slightly below for the .44 Special cartridge...I only shoot cast lead bullets in'em...and I don't shoot'em hard, limiting myself to about 250-300 rounds per year per gun.

If you want the feel and the 4-count clickety-click and the nostalgia of carrying the gun with an empty chamber under the hammer...and you only intend to shoot it a little...one of the Italian clones will make you happy. If you intend to go through 500 rounds a month...month in and month out, or you want to treat it rough...buy a Ruger.

Incidentally, if you decide to go with a Uberti...for the empty chamber requirement, the loading sequence goes like so:

Place the hammer on half cock. Open the gate. Load one chamber...skip one...load four. Close the gate. Cock and lower the hammer.
 
I have the '73 Cattleman Revovers in .45LC and a '73 Lever action also in .45LC. As others have stated, the Uberti's are nice replicas, i use mine solely for the Cowboy shoots each month, loaded with a standard load using 250grLNFP Missouri Bullets with 4.6gr TrailBoss. That is plenty enough for these guns. They are made with modern steel technology but are not designed or built to handle the modern loads others use in their Rugers. I can hit the bullseye at 100yds with my leveraction using the same load is use in my pistols. Fun Guns, just know what your getting and what you want to do.
 
I have 3 of them in various lengths from 4.75" to 7.5" barrels. The two shorter ones are Uberti Cattleman models with the 7.5" a Cimarron/Uberti model that I like best of all. I've fired everything from black powder through mine to standard SAMMI loaded 45 Colt for a few years not with no problems. I also shoot Cowboy action and they do hold up since the 4.75" was made in about 2004 - 2005 and still going strong. Ruger's are stronger but a different kind of gun compared to the original colts and their clones.
 
They're very good guns and have been getting better. Aside from the occasional broken hand or bolt/trigger spring, they hold up very well. Yeah, a Ruger may be a bit more robust but they simply don't have the appeal of the traditional half cock action.
 
I haven't had any unexpected problems with Uberti single actions, and incidentally the company is a division of Beretta.

However, as Tuner pointed out, IF THE CYLINDER IS LOADED YOU MUST CARRY WITH THE HAMMER DOWN ON AN EMPTY CHAMBER! They're no exceptions because the safety can fail. If this is something you don't want to live with buy a Ruger that has a transfer bar safety, and can be carried fully loaded.

That said, so far as I'm concerned 5 is enough.
 
I got a Benetta Stampede mainly because I wanted the look and feel of a SAA without the price of a Colt or USFA gun. I really don't have any interest in doing any cowboy action shooting competition and I'm not planning on running all that many rounds through it anyways.
 
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Thanks for the replies all, especially Tuner and Fuff. I think I'm gonna get this next Friday as a just cause present for my fiancé. If it gets her to go shooting with me more, it's worth every penny
 
osteodoc08

And if your fiance doesn't take a liking to it you've got yourself a great BBQ gun for all those friends and family get-togethers after your married.
 
Put it this way, I think so much of one of my Uberti sixguns that I'm about to have it engraved and refinished in carbona blue by Turnbull. ;)
 
Ubertis are widely used in Cowboy Action Shooting and hold up very well.

And the serious CAS shooters who use'em hard have a positive hammer stop installed in order to keep the hand from chewing the ratchet to gobbets. They also keep a few bolt springs and mainsprings handy. They're good revolvers, but they're not Rugers.
 
Worthy of note that the new Uberti SAA's have a coil hand spring. The bolt/trigger spring is easily replaced with a Heinie or Wolff music wire spring and the mainspring rarely is a problem. Which pretty much just leaves the bolt ears as the weakest link.
 
I can't speak for the newer Uberties, but I've had real good luck with the older, pre-1980 versions. It's tough to beat those 4 sexy clicks. Haha. They won't hold value like the rugers or colts, but if u want a fun, good looking gun, I'd go for it in a second. Plus, if your interested in playing around with gunsmithing, its a nice simple platform to tinker around with.
 
lots of ruger talk, yea, they are much stronger, and more durable, but ill say my uberti saa nickel is much better fit and finished than any ruger revolver. They are also much simpler mechanically, thou rugers dont break down, if you like to take them apart, the uberti is a easier job. My uberti gums up pretty bad and becomes sticky with a single box of 45 colt smokeless. Where as my 357 vaquero never sticks. But two different calibers and one is nickel plated, so thats not much to go off of.
 
To answer some questions:

I'm very well versed in Ruger SA. I've got 6 in 41Mag alone. Not to mention my 357s and 45s. I even have a flat top and 3 screw. I'm aware of the limitations of the SAA and design "flaw" requiring the load one, skip one, load 4 as well as the loading nuances between "regular" and "ruger/contender/FA" only loadings. I do always appreciate the reminder and its also good knowledge for others reading the boards, so thank you to all for the safety reminders.

The Uberti will strictly be a range/fun gun for my fiancé. She will be taught the above and I plan on loading light Trail Boss loads with 255gr Hornady "Cowboy" bullets until I can get a traditional mold for it, then ill completely shoot WW alloy cast boolits in it.

I have always bought Rugers as my SA of choice. She really liked the Uberti and I didn't know much about them. Didn't want to put in the $600-700 on a hunk o junk. I appreciate all the positive feedback and will likely purchase it next week.

I really need to get a photobucket account going so I can post pictures.
 
Talk with Cowboy Action shooters to see if Ubertis hold up.

Howdy

I am a Cowboy Shooter. I have owned two Uberti Cattleman, still own one. I have an Uberti Remington 1858, an Uberti replica 1860 Henry and an Uberti replica 1873 Winchester.

I also own real Colts and real Winchesters for comparison.

With an Uberti replica revolver or rifle you are getting a relatively well made production gun. However it is not the same quality as a real Colt or real Winchester. Sorry, it just is not.

Uberti uses castings for many of the action parts in their revolvers and rifles. Colt and Winchester used forged and machined parts. This is not necessarily a shortcoming, but it is a way to make the gun in a less expensive manner.

Here is a photo of a Colt 2nd Gen SAA hammer and an Uberti Cattleman hammer. The Uberti is in front, the Colt is at the rear. Notice the knurling on the hammer spurs. The knurling on the Uberti is a cast in feature on the hammer. The knurling on the Colt is done the tradional way, with a separate knurling tool after the hammer has been machined. Notice how the Uberti knurling looks a little bit crude compared to the Colt knurling. When cocking either hammer, I can tell the difference. The Colt knurling is crisper and less likely to slip out from under my sweaty thumb on a hot summer day.

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Colts have a hardened insert pressed into the recoil shield where the firing pin protrudes through, Uberties lack this insert. The purpose of the hardened insert is to prevent the firing pin from peening metal over and raising a burr on the hole. Both the Ubertis I have owned have had this problem.

But these are actually minor issues. My real complaint about Ubertis, and all the other Italian imports I have owned is the CNC machinery is always run too fast to yield a smooth surface on the interior parts. Both revolvers and rifles. There are always rough surfaces and burrs left inside. Yes, always. The problem with these rough surfaces and burrs is that they cause internal friction inside, which means stronger springs are installed to overcome the extra friction. Simply installing lighter springs does not solve the problem, a lighter spring may mean the hammer does not fall smartly enough to reliably fire a primer. The lighter spring may not be able to overcome the friction caused by the rough parts. The reason Uberti pushes the CNC equipment too fast is to keep the cost down. If they took the time to produce a better finish inside, the guns would have to cost more.

Getting back to Cowboy shooters, many do shoot their Uberti revolvers stock. But if they want to compete and run their Uberties hard and fast, they need an action job to smooth out the action and install lighter springs. As one famous Cowboy gunsmith likes to say, you can take the family sedan out to the racetrack once and run it around the track, but if you make a habit of it you are likely to see your transmission in your rear view mirror bouncing down the track behind you.

But for casual shooting, most Uberties are just fine.

P.S. The reason I only have one Cattleman now is because I sold one off. It had the worst trigger pull of any revolver I have ever owned, and the barrel was installed crooked so that the front sight leaned to one side. I sold it and used the money towards a Ruger Vaquero. But that Cattleman was much worse than most.

P.P.S. Now that the hand spring in Uberti revolvers has been replaced by a coil spring and plunger, the most common failure is a broken trigger/bolt spring. Like this. Actually, these are Colt parts, but the Uberti spring is just as vulnerable. Way back a bazillion years ago the trigger/bolt spring on my first C&B revolver, a Uberti, broke the same way. That does not mean the part will break the first day you take the gun out, but it is a weak point of the design. Today you can replace it with a wire spring.

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