O'Reilly Factor tonight - 'gun show loophole'

[Ratzinger_p38]

Bill had the Virginia AG on and aside from some question on some illegal immigration raids, it was mostly about gun laws.

~Bill grilled him about closing 'gun show loophole', the AG successfully ducked it. Bill tried to say that you could buy guns off the internet (like gun broker) without a BG check. The AG informed Bill that that was false.
~The VA AG also mentioned the bit about the 'mentally disabled' will get added to the list with no exceptions from now on.

Bill ticked me off tonight with this one. Typical anti arguments he was raising. Perhaps some THR'er need to ride him a letter, 'piffy' or not.

 

[FeebMaster]

Bill ticked me off tonight with this one. Typical anti arguments he was raising. Perhaps some THR'er need to ride him a letter, 'piffy' or not.

Why? It's nothing new with O'Reilly.

 

[camacho]

O'Reilly is a pompous ass who loves hearing himself talk and thinks he is always right. I am not surprised.

 

[cbsbyte]

Bill is anti gun except for elites like himself.

 

[BrianB]

Yep, he's a "___ disturber"...stopped watching him as he has an issue with just about everything and everybody.

ps. I think it's "Pithy". Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's irrelevant.

 

[Roc_Kor]

All the O'Reilly bashing isn't very High Road is it? =\

Anyhoo I took the liberty to write him, hope I didn't screw up:

Mr O'Reilly, your information regarding the sale of guns online and in gun shows was incorrect or at least unintentionally misleading. Firearms dealers and vendors at gun shows are required and do perform NICS background checks on firearm purchases. In Virginia, members of the State Police are also present at these gun shows to assist in these checks if necessary. And for sales conducted through the mail or over the internet, the gun is shipped to a Federal Firearms Licensee and, when the buyer goes to pick up the firearm, a background check is performed. The "loophole" you refer to is the private sale of a firearm between private citizens, and don't happen exclusively at gun shows or over the internet. Private transactions are not required by state or federal law to be conducted through firearms dealers and do not require NICS baground checks. Calling this an "internet" or "gun show" loophole can be misleading. I would humbly suggest that "private transactions" would be a more accurate term to use in this situation.

If you would like more information, please refer to the excellent "Gun Facts" document by Guy Smith at <www.gunfacts.info>, I encourage you to at least skim the "gun show loophole" chapter. It is a very informative document which has all of its sources listed for easy verification. It's where I get my facts from, and I hope it proves helpful to you.

Thank you for your time.
Name and Town, Name and Town. (Obviously this is not what the signature in the sent letter looks like.)

(P.S. Sorry I couldn't keep it as pithy as either of us would like.)

EDIT: Please excuse the butt-kissing tone of the letter. Insulting him wouldn't be a good way to get his attention. I feel it more effective to be respectful... and play up to a person's ego. >=)

 

[TheOld Man]

A more accurate term might be "The Yard Sale Loophole"

 

[Max Beep]

Roc Kor - excellent letter IMHO

 

[kcmarine]

VERY high road, Roc Kor. Well done.

 

[gyp_c2]

uhhhh...

...so you suggest other places to look for loopholes...yup that's helpful...

 

[cbsbyte]

Roc Kor, Very well written letter but Bill is not about to change his stance. He is about sensationalizing the news for ratings. Almost everything out of his mouth is a distortion or an out right lie. This is why people don't like him, he simplifies then over dramatizes the news. Other cable news outfits also do this, but Bill and Fox where the originators and are the most guilty for the downward spiral of cable news, and TV new in general. Anyway I hope he reads it on air and makes an apology.

 

[Prince Yamato]

O'Reilly also plays devil's advocate sometimes. It elicits the effect of getting guests to respond to questions they may not otherwise respond to or to elicit viewer response. I bet he gets hit by a deluge of email tomorrow from the pro-gun folk. I wouldn't discount him as a possible ally in the gun-rights fight if only by virtue of his show's format and style.

...so you suggest other places to look for loopholes...yup that's helpful...

I'd highly doubt private transactions are going to be eliminated. It'd be pointless. Criminals will conduct them whether they are legal or not.

 

[AZRickD]

Here is my letter:

Bill,

I don't know why you continue to misunderstand gun laws. All interstate sales of guns have to go through FFLs (federal firearms license holders, ie, gun stores). There is no "gunshow loophole." Every law that exists inside a gunshow exists outside of a gunshow. If you want to ban person-to-person sales, you'd also have to ban those newspaper classifieds as well as sales to family members.

The issue for Virginia Tech is not that it was easy for the bad guy to get a gun, but that it was so difficult for the good guys to have the tools they needed for their self defense.

You would benefit if you spent some time at www.gunlaws.com

Rick

 

[Roc_Kor]

No mention of the gun issue on tonight's show. Didn't have anything on his "Reader's Email" section. Hope he didn't ignore us. Eh, it was probably because our emails weren't as pithy as is usual for display on his show. I still think he read them... I hope. =(

In his defense: He runs a television show. His attention can't be DEVOTED to getting firearms laws 100% correct and I'm SURE he has people (with their own opinions) who do some (or all) research for him. I will continue to watch his show because he does what his job is, he's entertaining to watch, and sadly, I tend to agree with him.

BEGINNING OF LECTURE D=

Insulting someone isn't the best way to get anyone (let alone the person who is being insulted) to change their minds about your cause. If we take the HIGH ROAD we will be victorious. If we don't, we'll seem like crazy right-wing bigots... and then we'll seem like the Republican party! And they just lost an election, didn't they? Not good. (Hahaha kidding about the Republican party. Poking fun is still high road. =P)

Redirecting anger into words isn't good. Redirect your anger into motivation, and your motivation into results!

END OF LECTURE. =D

 

[mike101]

"O'Reilly is a pompous ass who loves hearing himself talk and thinks he is always right. I am not surprised."

Couldn't have said it better myself. And, when he can't win an argument, he cuts your microphone off.

I lost what little regard I had for anything he has to say almost a year ago. He was talking to some talking head about the incident in Iraq, where some Marines were accused of murdering some Iraqi civilians. He stated that "American troops have a history of abusing POWs". He cited the incident at Malmedy, Belgium, during the Battle of the Bulge. He said that U.S. troops murdered a group of SS POWs. Well, Billo managed to get that one completely backwards. At Malmedy, the SS murdered 81 American POWs. This is a pretty well known incident, especially to anyone who knows anything about WWII.

The talking head didn't swallow it, and said he would have to check into it. Sadly, he didn't know enough about the subject to contradict Oh' Really specifically.

I can't understand why anyone watches this guy.

 

[Ratzinger_p38]

He stated that "American troops have a history of abusing POWs". He cited the incident at Malmedy, Belgium, during the Battle of the Bulge. He said that U.S. troops murdered a group of SS POWs. Well, Billo managed to get that one completely backwards. At Malmedy, the SS murdered 81 American POWs. This is a pretty well known incident, especially to anyone who knows anything about WWII.

Yes Malmedy, a group of recently surrendered GIs were gunned in the back as several of them attempted to run away - so the whole group got hosed. I am not sure what he was thinking of, but it is true that no army in WW2 was warcrime-less.
The massacres I am aware of US troops commiting in WW2 happened mostly in Italy (one under Patton's command). There is alot the infamous incident mentioned int Band of Brothers (where one of the LT's iced a bunch of POWs, supposedly is true)

 

[ChestyP]

...so you suggest other places to look for loopholes...yup that's helpful...

Actually, there is another "loophole" that is worthy of pointing out: newspapers who editorialize about closing the nonexistent gun show loophole, but who run classified ads for guns. Calling attention to it usually doesn't shut them up, but it points out their hypocrisy.

 

[cbsbyte]

ost what little regard I had for anything he has to say almost a year ago. He was talking to some talking head about the incident in Iraq, where some Marines were accused of murdering some Iraqi civilians. He stated that "American troops have a history of abusing POWs". He cited the incident at Malmedy, Belgium, during the Battle of the Bulge. He said that U.S. troops murdered a group of SS POWs. Well, Billo managed to get that one completely backwards. At Malmedy, the SS murdered 81 American POWs. This is a pretty well known incident, especially to anyone who knows anything about WWII.

True Bill got the wrong, and he used to be a History teacher. He is diffently a pompous ass.

Anyway, after the US found out about the massacre, some American soldiers retaliate by killing surrendering German soldiers who had nothing to do with the massacre. No one escapes the tragedy of war.

 

[Lupinus]

he's a new york liberal from long island what do you want? This guy is about on the same league as Rudy. I got tired of listening to him love himself and stopped watching awhile ago.

 

[Tommygunn]

Quote:
Lost what little regard I had for anything he has to say almost a year ago. He was talking to some talking head about the incident in Iraq, where some Marines were accused of murdering some Iraqi civilians. He stated that "American troops have a history of abusing POWs". He cited the incident at Malmedy, Belgium, during the Battle of the Bulge. He said that U.S. troops murdered a group of SS POWs. Well, Billo managed to get that one completely backwards. At Malmedy, the SS murdered 81 American POWs. This is a pretty well known incident, especially to anyone who knows anything about WWII.

True Bill got the wrong, and he used to be a History teacher. He is diffently a pompous ass.

Anyway, after the US found out about the massacre, some American soldiers retaliate by killing surrendering German soldiers who had nothing to do with the massacre. No one escapes the tragedy of war.

I recall this erroneous statement. O'Reilly corrected it on the following program. Yea, O'Reilly can be a bit full of himself a lot of the times, and despite the fact he's seen a little of the light since Katrina with regards to the 2A, he still doesn't get it with regards to "loopholes."
All in all he is one of the better talking heads out there.
There's plenty to criticize, but let's "get it right" when we do ....okay??

 

[cbsbyte]

I recall this erroneous statement. O'Reilly corrected it on the following program.

I don't watch the show, but I don't believe he did since I have read through the transcripts and see no correction. But I will take your word that he did.

 

[mike101]

I don't remember that. He used to be a history teacher? I had an idiot history teacher in 12th grade.

 

[Roc_Kor]

I'm so dissapointed in how we treat a potential mouthpiece for our side. Guess what: Not everyone's gonna agree with you on everything. It's no reason to insult someone. It's no reason to BASH anyone. You may criticize, you may poke fun at, but stop the name-calling, the bashing, the insulting, and the ridiculing.

I like watching O'Reilly's show. It's entertaining and informative. PLUS I see potential within him! Look what he did with Jessica's Law! He was a driving force in getting that law passed in many states! Imagine if we can only win him over!

Being bitter and alienating people is not a way to win people over to our side!

BTW he's no liberal. I agree with him alot of the time and I'm a conservative, so he's at least moderate "at best."

 

[Jim K]

It is debatable whether gun control brings out a conservative/liberal divide, but O'Reilly is definitely anti-gun, and has said so in one way or another several times.

As to being a pompous a**, I agree; it is a necessary attribute of people who spout off on TV and radio. Their political views make no difference; they just enjoy hearing themselves talk. (I wonder when guys like O'Reilly and Chris Matthews will just shut up and let their "guests" (victims) actually answer a question.)

 

[GLOCKME]

I believe that Bill can be "swayed" with the truth..

IMO, he looks for the truth-we just have to give it to him!!

Remember-we are not the "bad" guys!!