Out of Fashion?

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ShawnC

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Can a gun go out of fashion? I watched an episode of Sons Of Guns and a guy brought in his UZI to be worked on. I thought to myself "Wow. When was the last time I saw an UZI?" Back in the 80's they were the go to bad guy gun in movies and TV, and instead of every bad guy in the news having an AK 47, they had either a MAC 10 or an UZI.
It seems that the UZI has fallen out of fashion, I guess because of the MP5.
There are always going to be enthusiasts, but has this ever happened to any other gun? 1911 is still popular, as are the M1A and the Garand. Mosins seem to be in fashion, or on their way up, so has any other popular model sort of faded away?
 
The rovolver are kinda the same and even glocks to a extent people just go with whats new and big
 
My Uzi remains quite fashionable. I am considering getting a drop leg holster for it.

In the age of hipster ARs, busting out an Uzi is like a ray of sunshine in Legoland. And those iron sights are dead on.
 
I think a moment's consideration of history will show you that all technology goes "out of fashion" and I'd actually say guns tend to hold their perceived value longer than other types of machinery.

Wheel-locks and match-locks went out of style when flintlocks became popular. And then those fell out of favor with the advent of the percussion cap. Cartridge guns won out over muzzle-loaders. Repeaters displaced single-shots. Smokeless powder guns are more favored than black, for 90% of shooting needs. Big .45 caliber cartridges have tended to be seen as less optimal for most uses than more compact 9mm and .40s. As ORANGESI said, revolvers now hold a tiny portion of the gun market, instead of dominating as they once did. Early generation S&W autopistols were once a really big deal... and so on.

What does that have to do with Uzis and MACs? In that case, not only were both of those designs superseded by the very popular H&K MP5, but the entire category of sub-machine gun has fallen into almost complete disuse. The folks who use such things have proved to themselves, over several decades of testing and field use, that a carbine version of an M-16/AR-15 rifle can have almost every advantage that a subgun has, and several important ones that subguns DON'T have. So, almost no agency or army is issuing that type of gun anymore, the companies that made them aren't flooding the market, and movie makers aren't clamoring to feature them in their blockbuster action films.

Is a Garand or M1A increasing in popularity? Surely not. The farther we get from their last use in battle, and the increasing degree to which they are both outclassed in various forms of competition, the fewer folks really seek them out. There were always millions more of them around and available to the consumer than there were Uzis anyway, and they're both rather inarguably more useful in general, so their lingering popularity is easy to explain.

Mosins? Really? Sure they're popular. They're the last gasp of the military surplus rifle market and are available by the truck load for under $100, and the surplus ammo for them is crazy cheap, too. Their popularity doesn't have anything to do with them being a terrific rifle, or particularly favored for any task, so much as the fact that they are ubiquitous, for the time being, and about the cheapest rifle you can shoot. That's a temporary thing and will fade as the world shifts, the supply of surplus rifles dries up (finally) and 7.62x54R ammo eventually is phased out of service.

So guns tend to "belong" to a particular era. Someone holding a Bren 10 and an Uzi (probably in a white blazer jacket with the sleeves rolled up) would be casting themselves in the 1980s, just like someone in all black and holding an MP-5 and an Mk.23 would be straight out of the 1990s. Someone in a fedora and suit, brandishing a BAR and with a Remington 51 tucked into his vest pocket would look like a 1930s gangter or G-man, and a dusty looking galoot with a hammer coach gun and a Schofield might suggest the tail end of the 19th century. Me, I prefer an arquebus, but only when wearing my best curiass. ;)
 
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I was wondering the same thing not too long ago. I also think most of it is just a fad. I can speak for many people when I say that when I was younger, I was all about the tactical black rifle/shotgun/handgun. If it had wood on it, it wasn't for me. Now as I get older I find myself taking the synthetic stocks off and replacing them with nice wood furniture. Don't get me wrong, I still love my AR, but there's something about a rifle or shotgun with beautiful wood.

Another thing that I thought about was appearances alone. Take an old scoped Model 70 in a beautiful old stock and put the exact gun in a Bell and Carlson stock and ask people to pick which one they like better. I'll bet that most of the younger guys pick the b&c stocked 70 and the older guys pick the wood.
 
Eh, to each his own.

Many folks in my age group seem to like black plastic-y firearms (mid 20's).

I like blued or parkerized steel, and wood. Must be why I like unmolested milsurps!
 
Could be that the movie producers have to pick a new "cool/evil" gun periodically. After every single badguy or goodguy has used the same gun in every movie it loses its "wow" factor so they pick a new attention getting weapon.
 
I think the reason why you don't see Uzis in movies or TV is because they are no longer used by military or police. Most groups have switched from submachine guns to M4s. I guess the heyday for the Uzi was when that Secret Service agent pulled one out when Reagan was shot. Can anyone name a single police department (not including Sons of Guns!) that uses an Uzi. The TV producers know nothing about guns so they just use what is popular and used by the police and military. That's why in most shows the good guys have Glocks and M4s and the bad guys have AK-47s.
 
Excuse me, is that an Uzi?

I always loved that line from "Air America"

I think all guns are fashionable. For their day. When she was brand new, she was the sexiest chick at the shootout. Now, 30 or 300 hundred years after her debut, she's that glamorous and mature lady that everyone still admires for her timeless beauty...

Go ahead, make fun of me for the analogy, but there it is...

Yes, guns, like many other material items owned by humans, fall in and out of favor by the many, only to be saved from oblivion by the few, who see the item not in terms of practicality or technological superiority, but for the inherent value of the connection the item has to the history of when or where it came from, or who used it and for what purpose.

I'd love to own an early Vermont-made firearm. I'd love to own an Uzi. I'd give just about anything for a 1928 Thompson with 100 round drum.
Pricey and impractical for me to be shooting on any given Saturday, but still, classy ladies I'd love to hang around with.
 
Well, does everyone reading view flintlocks, wheel-locks, and percussion guns next to their M1, AR, and AK?
 
I believe importation of the Uzi was eliminated by executive order by George H W Bush (aka Bush Sr). You don't see them much because they are not many around and they tend to be expensive. They were never "cheap" even as new guns retail in the day. The select fire full autos are quite desireable as are the bolt guns.

Me, I owned a folding stock carbine in 9mm. Shot it and sold it. It just was not accurate enough for my tastes for a "rifle" at the time. Wish I had kept it even though I have no use for it.
 
Well, the revolver has gone out of fashion, as have most non-rim or centerfire systems.

I take it you are unfamilier with CAS.

How about the XM-8? There's a gun that took a lot longer than I should to go out of fashion... I would love to work for HK's marketing dept. ;)
 
I had an UZI Model B in the late 80s, worst jammamatic I ever owned, not counting a Tec-22. Sold it for a profit solely due to the unique serial number.
When I go out to work today, a Smith Model 10-8 38 special 4 inch revolver will ride with me. I don't feel "out of fashion", I just recognize an inherent ammo limitation and use accordingly. I switch out from the P-01 every so often just to get a rise out of staff, freaks them out to see someone in uniform with a revolver. :)
 
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