Out of state purchase

[The Good]

Hello,

new to the forum. been getting info here for a while and i had to finally join. I have a question for all of you that i havent been able to find an answer to all over the internet. It may seem stupid to some of you but I'm also new to buying guns.

I am a Mass resident. I hate not being able to buy a lot of great hand guns. I am not looking for a loophole in any law, just really looking for a legal way of getting them.
SO here is my question. Can I legally purchase a pistol in another state(ie. NH) which is illegal to buy in MA, and then legally own and carry it in MA? As far as I know Mass' laws only govern purchases, not possession. Any insight on this?

 

[Hkmp5sd]

As a non-licensee, you cannot purchase handguns across state lines. This is a federal law. If you find a handgun in another state that you wish to purchase, you can have it shipped to a federally licensed dealer (FFL) in MA and then take possession there. Obviously, if the handgun is illegal in MA, you cannot have it shipped to a MA dealer.

 

[Tory]

Did you even TRY to use the resources on this site?

"I have a question for all of you that i havent been able to find an answer to all over the internet."

I doubt that you made any such effort.

The question of interstate purchases appears with ludicrous regularity on every firearms forum I can think of; this one, The Firing Line, Northeast Shooters, Packing.org, 1911 Forum, et al.. Had you made use of the SEARCH function on any of them, you'd have found your answer. As you are in Mass., NES would be very useful to you. Go here:

http://northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/index.php

Then there's the even more obvious use of GOOGLE or going to the BATFE's website and checking the FAQs; something else you obviously didn't bother to try.

This, and other websites, will be more useful if you actually make an effort instead of posting questions and expecting everyone else to do your research for you. It's called "initiative."

 

[atlctyslkr]

We have alot of gun shows in this state. What is to stop someone from coming here and buying one at a gun show and taking it home? There is no background check required for a private sale here.

 

[Stickjockey]

What is to stop someone from coming here and buying one at a gun show and taking it home?

The fact that it's a felony punishable by at least 5 years in Club Fed.

If you're a law-abiding citizen, which I assume you are, you'll respect that. If not, well...

 

[Tory]

Lost

"We have alot [sic] of gun shows in this state. What is to stop someone from coming here and buying one at a gun show and taking it home? There is no background check required for a private sale here."

And where is "here?"

If you mean Massachusetts, the buyer must have an appropriate license and the seller must file a transfer form with the state.

If someone is stupid enough to sell a gun without even establishing the purchaser's state of residence, etc., then he/she is begging for a visit from BATFE when the gun is found at a crime scene or otherwise comes to the attention of law enforcement.

 

[atlctyslkr]

As can plainly be seen, my user name indicates my location.

There are no laws here about having a permit to purchase a handgun. Unless you buy from an FFL there are no checks, no forms no questions. While the ATF may say people can't purchase at gun shows out of state, it happens all the time. I've seen a lot of Alabama, Tennessee, North and South Carolina, and others tags in parking lots at gun shows. I can't belive that some of these people are not buying and selling guns.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=ga

Of course that anti's blame this fact for the number of unregistered "illegal" guns in their states. Most private sales are legitimate. As with anything governments try to regulate there will be BOOTLEGGING. I see nothing wrong with hard working taxpaying people being able to defend themselves without having to ask permission.

If I'm out on the street I'll follow the public's laws but in my own home that I sweat and paid for I'll decide what's best for me and my family.

I would encourage someone from a place like NYC where they have to have permission to keep a gun their home to come down here an pick one out at a gun show to take home. FEDEX it home and enjoy.

Just because a small group of the population that is in power say that something is illegal doesn't make it right. Maybe I'll start sitting at the back of the bus from now on.

 

[Tory]

Wilfully obtuse

"I would encourage someone from a place like NYC where they have to have permission to keep a gun their home to come down here an pick one out at a gun show to take home. FEDEX it home and enjoy."

So, you're inviting someone to break Federal (and, almost certainly, their home state) law? Good work.

As the OP made clear, he was in Massachusetts. Georgia law is almost as irrelevant as your opinions.

As has already been noted by more than one poster, the interstate transfer of firearms w/o an FFL in the purchaser's state (except for inheritance and CMP purchases) is quite illegal. Your chest-thumping posturings change none of that.

 

[AirForceShooter]

Tory:
this thread simply points out reality.
While some of it isn't legal, that doesn't mean it's not happening.

I live in Florida. The sale of guns between individuals ins't regulated at all. I think more guns are bought and sold in McDonalds parking lots than all the gun shows in the state. And we have lots of snow birds.

I have friends all over the US and I'm retired. I have lot's of time to travel and go to a lot of gun shows. Want to buy a gun at a gun show? Try the parking lot first. Better prices and no checks. That's reality.

I don't condone it but I know it happens.

and nothing will ever stop it.

Oh, I'm orginally from NYC. there, it's estimated that 1/2 million unregistered hand guns are floating around. Think Bloomberg will ever put all those upstanding gun owners in jail?

AFS

 

[Tory]

Missing the point

this thread simply points out reality. While some of it isn't legal, that doesn't mean it's not happening.

Irrelevant AND irresponsible. Congratulations on your "double-header."

The OP did not ask about "reality." Those of us who actually read the post noted that he said:

"I am not looking for a loophole in any law, just really looking for a legal way of getting them."

What part of "NOT looking" and LEGAL way" did you not comprehend?

As for the exhortations to flout Federal law by effecting an interstate transfer without an FFL, stellar suggestions on an open forum in a country in which the so-called "security" agencies are more interested in eavesdropping on honest citizens and sniffing their shoes than performing any truly useful function...

Oh, I'm orginally from NYC. there, it's estimated that 1/2 million unregistered hand guns are floating around. Think Bloomberg will ever put all those upstanding gun owners in jail?

I certainly hope he fails at that, and all such related endeavors.

 

[AJAX22]

There has to be a way for you to legally get a gun, special permit, licence, etc.

That being said, it will undoubtedly be prohibitivly expensive, difficult, and time consuming.

If you want to go through all that to have a gun you can take to the range and fire go for it.

If your only purpouse for having the gun is to protect yourself and your family, I'm sure you could find a parkinglot sale in one of the neighboring states who would accomodate you. Just remember to get an OLD piece that has never been registered, if you ever have to use it its more plausible that your dad left it to you, his dad before him etc. If you get a brand new sig, people probably wont buy that story.

When you come down to it, the old saying, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 holds alot of wisdom.

if you do decide to skirt the law, make darn sure you have a good story to back it up.

That being said. If there is ANY other way to get it, the peice of mind that comes with not having to worry about the criminals AND the cops, is worth every penny.

I personally wouldn't risk it, but I don't have to (I can buy mine legally) but to each there own.

 

[AirForceShooter]

Where did I say I condoned it?
Where did I say any of those transfers in the parking lot were illegal?

Irrelevant AND irresponsible?
that's what you read into it.

AFS

 

[Lou629]

I have lived in 3 different states in my lifetime. Pa. is still a free state as of my last check, and the other two being the Peoples' Republics of NY & NJ, (current). In NONE of those cases, even in Pa., can you buy a handgun without being a resident of the state. Long guns, yes, handguns no. As far as i know, these laws have not changed all that much, if at all, in the past couple of decades or so, and iirc most of the northeastern states, and many others, adhere to these same rules for potential out-of-state sales to residents of neighboring states. If i were the original poster i would suck it up while in Ma. and abide by the rules, and look for the earliest opportunity to escape your gulag, just as i am looking for my ticket out of NJ and hopefully back to Pa. one day.

 

[AirForceShooter]

Federal law prohibits the sale of a hand gun to a non-resident of a state.
For a resident the state or local law kicks in. and the background check.
I escaped NY for Fla.
What a difference. I was thanked as I was being printed for my CCW.
That was weird.

AFS

 

[ravencon]

Did you even TRY to use the resources on this site?
"I have a question for all of you that i havent been able to find an answer to all over the internet."

I doubt that you made any such effort.
....
This, and other websites, will be more useful if you actually make an effort instead of posting questions and expecting everyone else to do your research for you. It's called "initiative."
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So, some one makes their first post and you find it necessary to go off on a long, snotty rant. You could have made your point in more welcoming manner.

 

[Tory]

So they do it AGAIN?

So, some one makes their first post and you find it necessary to go off on a long, snotty rant. You could have made your point in more welcoming manner.

Thus encouraging such sloth. Since when is welcoming the lazy a virtue?

 

[The Good]

thanks for the info guys
as for the info on illegally buying it.. thanks but no thanks. i already have a legal gun of my own, and this state has alot of other legal gun options.. theres just some other guns i'd like to own that i cant get. I do realize i could go to the next gun show or a local gang and pick them up illegally but im not interested in doing that. one reason why citizens need to arm themselves is because other non-law abiding citizens can do that

 

[Desertdog]

I received this email this afternoon and it fits this discussion. I hope they do pass this bill, it would sure improve things for out of state gun sales.


Rep. Renzi Set To Introduce Bill Expediting
Out-Of-State Gun
Purchases
-- Ask your congressman to cosponsor the bill

Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://www.gunowners.org

Wednesday, May 24, 2006


Pro-gun Rep. Rick Renzi (R-AZ) is getting set to chip
away at the
mountain of gun control laws and regulations that are
hampering gun
owners in this country.

Under current law, a person who travels to, say, a gun
show
out-of-state and buys a handgun from a licensed dealer
must have the
firearm shipped to a second gun dealer in the buyer's
home state.

As gun control laws have been added piecemeal over the
years, it has
forced gun owners to deal with conflicting and
redundant
requirements. Furthermore, the interstate requirements
for buying a
gun have needlessly forced gun dealers to ship
firearms via
commercial carriers, thus subjecting them to being
lost, damaged or
stolen.

To counteract this, Rep. Renzi is set to introduce the
Firearm
Transfer Improvement Act in the next few days. Renzi
says that
because gun dealers must comply with the laws of two
different states
in addition to federal law, these regulations are both
"redundant and
costly." It is bad enough that the national government
has created
an unconstitutional federal background check system,
but we still
have this 1968 interstate ban left over.

"My legislation simply states that federal law and the
law of the
state of the seller must be complied with for all
firearms sales,"
Renzi said. "It also applies the same rules to rifles
and shotguns,
which are currently handled differently than
handguns."

In other words, the Renzi bill will allow you to
travel out-of-state
to purchase firearms in a way that you have not been
able to do since
1968. Imagine that you live in Virginia and you are
traveling to
Missouri for Christmas. You stop at a gun show in West
Virginia to
buy your mom and dad a matched pair of commemorative
Colt .45s.

Had you made the purchase in your home state, you
could only have
done so after a lengthy process, as Virginia has an
ill-advised
one-handgun-a-month law. But since you are making the
purchase in
West Virginia, you simply have to comply with the laws
in the
SELLER'S state (under the language in the Renzi bill).
Hence,
assuming you are not a prohibited person, you can buy
the guns from
the dealer, continue traveling to the state of your
destination with
your new purchases and enjoy Christmas with your
family. (No
shipping costs or waiting periods apply!)

ACTION: Please urge your congressman to become an
original cosponsor
of the Renzi bill. This bill still does not have a
number, but you
can refer to it as the Firearm Transfer Improvement
Act.

To identify your Representative, as well as to send a
message via
e-mail, see the Legislative Action Center at
http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm on the GOA
website.

----- Pre-written letter -----

Dear Representative:

Please become an original cosponsor of the Firearm
Transfer
Improvement Act, which is being introduced by Rep.
Rick Renzi.

As gun control laws have been added piecemeal over the
years, it has
forced gun owners to deal with conflicting and
redundant
requirements. Furthermore, the interstate requirements
for buying a
gun have needlessly forced gun dealers to ship
firearms via
commercial carriers, thus subjecting them to being
lost, damaged or
stolen. As a member of Gun Owners of America, I am
very concerned
about this.

The Firearm Transfer Improvement Act would streamline
these
requirements and help protect the rights of gun
owners. Please call
the Renzi office and become an original cosponsor.
Thank you.

Sincerely,