Nicky Santoro
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Outback Steakhouse in Fairfax does NOT want our money
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Outback Steakhouse in Fairfax does NOT want our money
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Smurfslayer
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Whoa
f**kemfast county, VA, where this steakhouse is, you would be required to turn all your guns in for destruction and attend deprogramming classes to get you over it.
[SS] That is patently false. While you can debate open and concealed carry, there are a LOT of gun owners in Fairfax, and a LOT of them are seniors. Most of them don't make a lot of noise, but when you raise the specter of potential confiscation, I'd venture to say those seniors would put up one hell of a fight.
If you haven't seen the blog - www.bighammer.net
We've never been asked to leave anywhere. Never been targeted, never had a gun taken from us, never frightened a soul. Kony & I are getting together and he's going to let them know they're messing with Virginia and if they don't want his money... they don't want money from any of his vast network of acquaintences...
f**kemfast county, VA, where this steakhouse is, you would be required to turn all your guns in for destruction and attend deprogramming classes to get you over it.
[SS] That is patently false. While you can debate open and concealed carry, there are a LOT of gun owners in Fairfax, and a LOT of them are seniors. Most of them don't make a lot of noise, but when you raise the specter of potential confiscation, I'd venture to say those seniors would put up one hell of a fight.
If you haven't seen the blog - www.bighammer.net
We've never been asked to leave anywhere. Never been targeted, never had a gun taken from us, never frightened a soul. Kony & I are getting together and he's going to let them know they're messing with Virginia and if they don't want his money... they don't want money from any of his vast network of acquaintences...
countertop
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Eeer, Actually, Outback = Florida Corporation
There isn't any connection to australia - its simply a marketing theme thing.
Incidently, and I didn't make it ot he shoot last wednsday - but I seem to recall that one of the trailers in the NRA Range parking lot has an outback logo included amongst the many NRA sponsors.
This thread has turned into a bandwagon of misinformation......as an Outback employee of almost ten years (working my way through med school)... this is just false information. The steaks come in a cryovac pouch but last NOWHERE near "months" in the freezer. (Hint: Outback goes through a ton of steaks a DAY so there isn't a walk-in big enough for us to hold "months" worth of steaks)
Hell I've seen a Kitchen manager fired for having around $10K worth of meat a week out of date. It was subsequently thrown out. Either way it is not marinated in anything other than blood until it is opened and we then put our seasoning on it which consists of several spices most of which is pepper. Outback steaks are as a majority not "Prime" either, like most steakhouses they use Choice. Prime beef accounts for less than 2% of the nation's beef. I'm puzzled up how the manager knew the author of this thread was carrying. Open carry?? Do people still put themselves in a tactical disadvantage like this? Oh well... Open carry politics aside.... it would be a business decision. I'm guessing he thought it would make too many of his OTHER customers feel uncomfortable. Is the fear right? Not in my mind... but business is business. A private business has the right to say no to you as you to them. Makes this country great doesn't it? Pretty sure it was up to the Proprietor as a gentlemen left a coat at my Outback in the lounge/bar area (sells more than 50% alcohol) which is technically illegal in our state and we found a snubbie and a wallet in it. We called the gentlemen and my Proprietor just simply said you might want to be more carefull. Didn't say a work about him coming into the restaurant with it.
I will say that it's not a corporate policy that I'm aware of, I've never seen or heard anything addressed on a corporate level but I'm not management.
NineseveN
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JD8, Outback is a NRA sponsor, they cannot have it both ways. Politics or not, individual owner or not, the NRA or Outback needs to fix this.
You cannot use a brand name to say you are for something, and then allow others to use that brand name in an adverse way against that stance. It's bad business, and unfair to a customer.
A lot of people use certain businesses that the NRA says are okay, for any one of them to allow an individual establishment to act against a gun owner is awful and disingenuous.
That would be like an AIG office refusing to insure someone's firearms because the individual owner thinks his other customers don't like guns, or maybe he doesn't.
You cannot use a brand name to say you are for something, and then allow others to use that brand name in an adverse way against that stance. It's bad business, and unfair to a customer.
A lot of people use certain businesses that the NRA says are okay, for any one of them to allow an individual establishment to act against a gun owner is awful and disingenuous.
That would be like an AIG office refusing to insure someone's firearms because the individual owner thinks his other customers don't like guns, or maybe he doesn't.
Randy in Arizona
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Being an NRA sponsor and allowing open carry are two different things in a business owners/company's eyes I'm sure. However, I'm not going to defend the actions of the company or the owner as I'm not a part of situation or corporate policies.
To me.... carrying in a restaurant is tactically stupid. Too many people around you that know you have a weapon which are out of your view. Open carry walking a dog? Sure.... In a crowded restaurant packed with people? Just don't see it... I guess I just prefer to be concealed. YMMV.
bcurry
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Not to seem argumentative, but weren't the folks at Luby's in Killeen, Texas probably thinking it was a nice day for a dinner and what say I leave my weapon in the car? If the right to CCW has been earned, by all means...utilize it, defend it, and support others who welcome it. Just my 2c.
Bruce
Not to seem argumentative, but weren't the folks at Luby's in Killeen, Texas probably thinking it was a nice day for a dinner and what say I leave my weapon in the car? If the right to CCW has been earned, by all means...utilize it, defend it, and support others who welcome it. Just my 2c.
Bruce
NineseveN
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JB8, do you live in VA? Does your state allow Open Carry? Because, obviously you did not read, where the OP lives, the law states you must open carry in an establishment that serves alcohol...did you miss that? Now is it more tactical to open carry, or leave your gun in the car or at home? Exactly.
larry starling
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Avoid all of em....Go to longhorn instead they have better quality meat and I have had nothing but excellent service from them....BTW they serve abeer and such so no ccw here in nc....
Smurfslayer
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Is it any wonder we have such a hard time?
It's company's like Outback; well - let's say the Fairfax Outback for now until we've actually determined they simply don't want our money and "allies" like ol' Jd8 here that are the very reason we have to fight so hard to make any progress at all. With friends like these...
"To me.... carrying in a restaurant is tactically stupid."
SS: That's just about every cop I know of. I thought that cops had to have college degrees around here...
I don't think anything needs to be said about the above quote, as with all we post here, it's certainly a reflection of the author.
Jason10mm - You have the right idea... I've eaten with a party of 26, over half carrying before... more than once actually. Hell... Even Champps was more than happy to have us as patrons
and I've got the bill to prove it.
It's company's like Outback; well - let's say the Fairfax Outback for now until we've actually determined they simply don't want our money and "allies" like ol' Jd8 here that are the very reason we have to fight so hard to make any progress at all. With friends like these...
"To me.... carrying in a restaurant is tactically stupid."
SS: That's just about every cop I know of. I thought that cops had to have college degrees around here...
I don't think anything needs to be said about the above quote, as with all we post here, it's certainly a reflection of the author.
Jason10mm - You have the right idea... I've eaten with a party of 26, over half carrying before... more than once actually. Hell... Even Champps was more than happy to have us as patrons
and I've got the bill to prove it.KONY
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As has been said, it's the law here in VA ... so I am not sure how breaking the law would be "tactical".
mountain_cowboy
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Randy in AZ, the argument that you're "playing You Bet Your Life for real," doesn't hold up. Everyone on this board does dozens of things each day that are statistically more dangerous than going into a restaurant in Fairfax, VA unarmed. The truth is: we do carry because it statistically increases our chances of self defense and ultimately our safety, but more importantly, we carry because it makes us FEEL that we're safer. I know, I carry everywhere but work. But, to think that you have to be armed because it's just too dangerous to go anywhere unarmed is ludicrous. Using that logic, we'd never leave the house, cross the street, get in a motor vehicle, smoke, drink, etc. Human life and safety does have a price, and we price it everyday, in the choices we make taking risks everyday, from the infinitesimal (ie. climbing stairs, or, I contend, going into Outback unarmed) to the severe (rock climbing or going to a gunfight unarmed). Living is a risk. There's way too many threats in life as it is. Avoid the more probable ones, don't sweat the miniscule.
Edited to add: That reminds me of a post I saw a few weeks back where someone was seriously asking if others would carry if they needed to crawl up on the roof and lean out over the edge to paint the trim. If you were that worried about your life at that time, logically, you wouldn't be up on the damn roof to begin with.
Edited to add: That reminds me of a post I saw a few weeks back where someone was seriously asking if others would carry if they needed to crawl up on the roof and lean out over the edge to paint the trim. If you were that worried about your life at that time, logically, you wouldn't be up on the damn roof to begin with.
KONY
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I think some of you think my thread is about "playing the odds" ... it is much more than that ... this is about me exercising my right to bear arms. Simple and plain. Check out my Boss Spearman quote if you want the truth ... I am not going to let some restaurant owner be my modern-day "rancher".
Zundfolge
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True.
However there is no logical reason to forbid law abiding gun owners from carrying at a restaurant (and frankly the VA law on this matter is just stupid ... I can understand not allowing consumption of alcohol while CCWing, but not being allowed to CCW where other people are drinking, and being required to expose you're gun in front of other people who are drinking is just stupid).
If there are other restaurant options in Fairfax that don't kick you out for packing then why not go there instead?
Also, if one stores their firearm in their car, the chances that the firearm could be stolen just increased significantly ... not my idea of "increasing public safety".
KONY
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Agreed. This is exactly what I did. However, this deed cannot go unpunished. Best way is with our purchasing power.
countertop
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I might not be with you on the gun show thing, but I am with you guys on this one.
KONY
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LoL ... thanks.
rick newland
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I have been in the kitchens of two different Outbacks. That alone keeps me from ever eating in one.
"For those who aren't familiar with VA CCW policies, one must open carry when in a resaturant that serves alcohol."
That explains things. I was wondering why anyone would open carry if they didn't need to. Luckly, in Indiana we carry all our sawed off shotguns, machine guns, surpressed gun and handguns concealed. No joke, you can carry a legal sawed off shotgun or a Uzi concealed if you have the permits and paper work. It is a good thing.
Seriously, who open carries? If they made it a law that we had to open carry a handgun instead of concealing it, I have to admit that I would almost never carry a gun. Just being honest but I really don't want to be looked at like some sort of Cowboy.
That explains things. I was wondering why anyone would open carry if they didn't need to. Luckly, in Indiana we carry all our sawed off shotguns, machine guns, surpressed gun and handguns concealed. No joke, you can carry a legal sawed off shotgun or a Uzi concealed if you have the permits and paper work. It is a good thing.
Seriously, who open carries? If they made it a law that we had to open carry a handgun instead of concealing it, I have to admit that I would almost never carry a gun. Just being honest but I really don't want to be looked at like some sort of Cowboy.
PX15
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Hey, I'm as big a "gun nut" as they come, but for the life of me I just never understand why anyone (individuals/not leo's etc.) would desire to openly carry, period, much less in a family restaurant.
Most of the times when my wife and I out go to eat I am carrying.. But I am carrying concealed, and no one's the wiser, or offended, or scared, or whatever. I see the logic of concealed carry in public, I just don't see the logic of open carry in public.....
It's NOT a matter of your legal rights, it's more a matter of is "in your face" a good thing for you personally, and the rest of American firearm owners in general. Just because you and I aren't disturbed or frightened by the sight of open carry that doesn't mean that a consideral percentage of others ARE.
Sadly, but I can guarantee you 90% of the people observing a non-leo carrying openly they make one of 2 judgements, probably both wrong, but only 2 judgements.
1. The person openly carrying is "showing off", and trying to "look bad"....
2. The person openly carrying has a screw loose and they would rather be be someplace else.
That's the truth, and like it or not, the only thing you are doing is turning off people who potentially AREN'T anti-gun. We need more people who appreciate and understand our 2nd Amendment rights, we don't need to be running them off...... Even other gun owners who observe you carrying openly will be saying to themselves, "what's with that"?
If your State allows you to carry openly then obviously you are within your LEGAL rights to do so. If you enter private property and the owners ask you to please leave your firearm in your car they are within THEIR rights to do so. You are seeking confrontation by open carry, when concealed carry would provide you the same protection, without the drama.
Open carry is just dumb.
Concealed carry is smart.
I'll bet you when you left the "Outback" more customers were happy that you chose to do so than were upset you did. I think the owner was very reasonable in asking you to leave your gun in your vehicle. You just chose to be offended and make an issue of it.
I know my response isn't going to set well with those who think WE ARE WITHIN OUR RIGHTS TO OPEN CARRY, ETC., but logic and common sense have to come into play here too. I see no positives in open carry in a family restaurant unless it's in IRAQ... It's just not very smart, and the negatives outweigh the positives by a long shot.
JMOFO.
JP
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And in response to the replies that you can ONLY carry "OPEN" in Virginia I say leave your firearm at home when you go to a family restaurant..... OR, leave it locked in the trunk of your vehicle while you are eating.
I do think the law is stupid, but I still think open carry is simply not necessary in an enviornment such as an Outback steak house. When's the last time a full restaurant such as the Outback was EVER robbed?
There has to be some correlation to the potential threat to the person desiring to carry and the circumstance of the time and place you wish to carry openly in. If in fact you open carry every place you go then I suggest you are going to the wrong places. I just don't think the average gunowner considers it necessary, or prudent, to open carry all over the place.
If you want to do something constructive, rather than carrying openly 24hrs a day 7 days a week, you might get together with other firearm owners and lobby for a concealed carry right.
I knew I would be taking heat from my opinion in this particular situation, but I sincerely think that anyone who feels the need to carry a firearm openly to a family restaurant is waaaayyyyy more paranoid than even I AM.....
Open carry for a non-leo in a place such as the Outback Steak house, or WalMart is simply "displaying".........
Having the legal "right" to open carry is not the same thing as using common sense in when and where to open carry. Apparently the manager of the Fairfax Outback Steakhouse had the same opinion as I do.
You are legally right to open carry in a place that sells alcoholic beverages, UNTIL the management tells you not to. Then you can exercise your right (as you did) to leave. Problem solved.
Life is too short to look for something to let something like this get you all fired up.
JMO, and as before, dissenting opinions welcomed.. :banghead:
Most of the times when my wife and I out go to eat I am carrying.. But I am carrying concealed, and no one's the wiser, or offended, or scared, or whatever. I see the logic of concealed carry in public, I just don't see the logic of open carry in public.....
It's NOT a matter of your legal rights, it's more a matter of is "in your face" a good thing for you personally, and the rest of American firearm owners in general. Just because you and I aren't disturbed or frightened by the sight of open carry that doesn't mean that a consideral percentage of others ARE.
Sadly, but I can guarantee you 90% of the people observing a non-leo carrying openly they make one of 2 judgements, probably both wrong, but only 2 judgements.
1. The person openly carrying is "showing off", and trying to "look bad"....
2. The person openly carrying has a screw loose and they would rather be be someplace else.
That's the truth, and like it or not, the only thing you are doing is turning off people who potentially AREN'T anti-gun. We need more people who appreciate and understand our 2nd Amendment rights, we don't need to be running them off...... Even other gun owners who observe you carrying openly will be saying to themselves, "what's with that"?
If your State allows you to carry openly then obviously you are within your LEGAL rights to do so. If you enter private property and the owners ask you to please leave your firearm in your car they are within THEIR rights to do so. You are seeking confrontation by open carry, when concealed carry would provide you the same protection, without the drama.
Open carry is just dumb.
Concealed carry is smart.
I'll bet you when you left the "Outback" more customers were happy that you chose to do so than were upset you did. I think the owner was very reasonable in asking you to leave your gun in your vehicle. You just chose to be offended and make an issue of it.
I know my response isn't going to set well with those who think WE ARE WITHIN OUR RIGHTS TO OPEN CARRY, ETC., but logic and common sense have to come into play here too. I see no positives in open carry in a family restaurant unless it's in IRAQ... It's just not very smart, and the negatives outweigh the positives by a long shot.
JMOFO.
JP
PART 2.
And in response to the replies that you can ONLY carry "OPEN" in Virginia I say leave your firearm at home when you go to a family restaurant..... OR, leave it locked in the trunk of your vehicle while you are eating.
I do think the law is stupid, but I still think open carry is simply not necessary in an enviornment such as an Outback steak house. When's the last time a full restaurant such as the Outback was EVER robbed?
There has to be some correlation to the potential threat to the person desiring to carry and the circumstance of the time and place you wish to carry openly in. If in fact you open carry every place you go then I suggest you are going to the wrong places. I just don't think the average gunowner considers it necessary, or prudent, to open carry all over the place.
If you want to do something constructive, rather than carrying openly 24hrs a day 7 days a week, you might get together with other firearm owners and lobby for a concealed carry right.
I knew I would be taking heat from my opinion in this particular situation, but I sincerely think that anyone who feels the need to carry a firearm openly to a family restaurant is waaaayyyyy more paranoid than even I AM.....
Open carry for a non-leo in a place such as the Outback Steak house, or WalMart is simply "displaying".........
Having the legal "right" to open carry is not the same thing as using common sense in when and where to open carry. Apparently the manager of the Fairfax Outback Steakhouse had the same opinion as I do.
You are legally right to open carry in a place that sells alcoholic beverages, UNTIL the management tells you not to. Then you can exercise your right (as you did) to leave. Problem solved.
Life is too short to look for something to let something like this get you all fired up.
JMO, and as before, dissenting opinions welcomed.. :banghead:
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NineseveN
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Again, 1. It is Virginia law to open carry in a place that serves alcohol. Again I ask, is leaving your gun in the car or at home more tactical and less stupid?
2. The most often assumption I see when people open carry is that they are an LEO. People don't go rushing to the doors, maybe in some anti-gun fanatasy, but not in the real world, not normally. of course, if one looks like a total dirt bag or dresses like a gangbanger, things tend to look bad. But hey, they were probably gonna think bad things about the person based on their appearance anyway.
And the best way to lose a right is to fail to exercise it.
Again, 1. It is Virginia law to open carry in a place that serves alcohol. Again I ask, is leaving your gun in the car or at home more tactical and less stupid?
2. The most often assumption I see when people open carry is that they are an LEO. People don't go rushing to the doors, maybe in some anti-gun fanatasy, but not in the real world, not normally. of course, if one looks like a total dirt bag or dresses like a gangbanger, things tend to look bad. But hey, they were probably gonna think bad things about the person based on their appearance anyway.
And the best way to lose a right is to fail to exercise it.
thebaldguy
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The worst thing you can do to a business is to NOT spend your hard earned money there. Some people will say, "oh, they only lost the business of one customer". Well, they lost his business, so they did lose. They didn't get his money that day, and probably will never get his money again. That is a loss.
By the way, I try to avoid the big chain dinner houses. I really to try to give my money to locally owned and operated bars and restaurants. I often find that the food and service is better. Also, as an ex-bartender, the secret to eating out is NOT eating out when everyone else is. Avoid the crowds on Friday and Saturday nights; go out during the week, or late afternoon on weekends. The service is better, there's no waiting, and a lot of places have specials in the off peak dining hours.
By the way, I try to avoid the big chain dinner houses. I really to try to give my money to locally owned and operated bars and restaurants. I often find that the food and service is better. Also, as an ex-bartender, the secret to eating out is NOT eating out when everyone else is. Avoid the crowds on Friday and Saturday nights; go out during the week, or late afternoon on weekends. The service is better, there's no waiting, and a lot of places have specials in the off peak dining hours.
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